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Can we get a rework of Nurse's rework



  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,210

    Because if you're good you get to be the best killer in the game..? Again, if that's not fun to you just because of the stuns, try another killer.

    This is just my opinion but I don't think she took as much skill before as people think. I played her before her rework (not as a main, just played her) and I still felt like she was too easy. I was confused why people were saying she was the hardest killer in the game. She felt so easy mode that I actually resolved to just not play her any further. Made the game boring.

    Now I actually consider trying her again, (even though I still haven't yet) because she isn't easy mode anymore.

  • MigrantTheGreatMigrantTheGreat Member Posts: 519

    But doesn't it mean something if her usage has gone down even less?

  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,210

    Does it mean something? Yes. Is that something bad? I wouldn't say so, not automatically. It could be for many reasons, individually or combined.

    I imagine that the bugs are probably something that deters people, and I definitely agree that straight up bugs need to be squashed. But personally, I don't automatically think because she is played less that that indicates something bad. I think a major factor in the fact that she's played even less now is that, as I said, she was like a bike with training wheels before. Now the training wheels are off, so probably the people who really enjoy the character for the character itself, and not the easy wins she brings, are going to stay dedicated to her. The ones that just used her because she was god tier, suddenly feel the pressure of the training wheels being taken off.

  • copperslycoppersly Member Posts: 1,919

    That's the problem, the rework didn't make her take more skill to play, it only takes more patience. There is nothing new you can do, it is literally a limitation in every single conceivable way with no other positive in sight. So if nothing changed except less blinks per game, the skill involved didn't really change either. You just need [BAD WORD] tons more patience than before.

  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,210

    What I said before is that she felt easy mode to me and that's why I didn't want to play her. More patience required or not, I'd still rather have her in this state (without the bugs obviously) where it actually takes people that are dedicated to learning her to do well with her. Not like before where any schmuck could pick her up, play her for a handful of games, and dominate just because of how powerful her ability is.

  • NursesBootieNursesBootie Member Posts: 1,262

    You need to balance a character. Not make him ridiculously annoying to play just so nobody cares anymore.

    Nurse main 1.5k hours red ranks btw.

  • copperslycoppersly Member Posts: 1,919

    Lmao what you're describing isn't even a real problem. She is the hardest killer to learn, that was well established before her rework. She already took many many hours to learn and not get curb stomped, that is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. You are describing a fantasy argument.

  • BloodMoneyMercBloodMoneyMerc Member Posts: 356

    @Huff I both agree & disagree with your take on Nurse. Yes, Nurse was a bit OP prior to her rework/changes. Her addons were either too OP or never used. A good Nurse basically never lost unless a survivor team was really good. Changing her did "take of the training wheels" for those who wanted to play Nurse.

    But where I disagree is how they went about reworking her. Her addons are split into 2 groups now: essential & situational/useless. So they failed at addressing her addons seeming only useless or OP issue. The recharge mechanic on top of a stun currently is just so annoying. Not to mention her movement speed is slower than survivor running speed. The devs intention with this was to give more time to survivors to break LoS, but now its just used to gain more distance from her. Ending a chase as Nurse is overly tedious against a good survivor. I almost never have an issue against Nurse as survivor, & it's because I know how to use her power against her. It is not hard for survivors to learn this now, while before the rework it actually took skill in order to counter Nurse. But this isn't me saying Nurse needs to be reverted back to her old self, but rather something else has to be done because the devs failed at addressing the issues the community had with Nurse. The skill/reward ratio that is supposed to come from Nurse now feels off because of how tedious she is to play.

  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,210

    Well I guess I must just have a gigantic brain then because "many hours" wouldn't describe what it took for me to whoop the survivors on Nurse.

  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,210
    edited April 19

    I don't disagree with anything you said I don't think, at least anything worth mentioning. The whole point of that I'm trying to bash this guy upside the head with is that I just highly disagree personally that Nurse is this "pinnacle of skill" kind of character people make her out to be. You hold down a button to teleport a certain range, depending on charge, and you ignore practically all obstacles any other killer has to pay attention to. I can respect people who say that after her nerf, she might be annoying to play. Thing is, all I have to say is: then play another character. If you don't want to accept the annoying parts to take advantage of what's potentially the strongest killer in the game, then step aside for the people who will man up enough to take on that downside. I want to reiterate: I'm obviously against her being buggy. If you're annoyed over that, that's perfectly legit.

    I can't comment on the add ons and stuff much because I dabbled in Nurse before, and told myself she was simply too easy mode to find fun for me. What I can say as somebody who played her then, is that it's laughable to me that somebody can tell me my own experience is a "fantasy argument" and that it's "common knowledge" that a Nurse took many hours before her nerf to "learn and not get stomped."

    Side note: if you're somebody who's got experience with Nurse (as it seems like you do, with the way you talk about her add ons and stuff) do you think I should give her another shot, considering I found her too easy before? I'm not necessarily asking for the sake of winning, but just for the sake of getting into the character.

  • copperslycoppersly Member Posts: 1,919

    I don't want to call you out or anything, but ask ANYONE who mains Nurse or has played this game for a long time. You will get the answer that Nurse is the single hardest killer in the game to learn. You're going to have to forgive me if I dismiss your point simply because you feel like a god Nurse after only a few matches.

    Now if you were playing against sweaty SWF seal team 6 and consistently whooped ass and only had a few hours of her under your belt that would be a different story, but I doubt that's what is happening.

  • immortalls96immortalls96 Member Posts: 3,644

    Lol I doubt that very much..based on what I've seen myself..even then..the nurses I have seen have lost pretty much every time..red flag by any standards

  • DBD78DBD78 Member Posts: 676

    Well I'm learning Nurse on Xbox right now, got tired of red ranks so was a perfect way to derank. The only thing I really don't like is the blink bugs that keep happening. I don't think she needs a rework? I can feel now when things starting to click for me that this killer will get me back to red ranks again. Give me a couple of more days, or weeks 😀

  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,210

    It's not just me. I still to this day hear high profile streamers talking about how Nurse is still one of the best if not the best. I know people get carried away on these forums by treating streamers like the true masters of the game, but honestly wtih some people like Monto you have to admit they know the game well enough to know what they're saying.

    But fair enough. If you refuse to believe that anybody could get used to Nurse and not get stomped with her, and your one test to disprove that is "playing against sweaty SWF seal team 6 and consistently whooped ass and only a few hours under your belt" then yeah, nobody is going to be able to change your mind. Mostly because that just doesn't happen: people don't just constantly go against pure SWF.

    But I'm sorry I can't convince you it's not a huge feat to hold down and release a button to teleport.

  • citroncitron Member Posts: 78
  • immortalls96immortalls96 Member Posts: 3,644

    I'll believe that when I see it..because last I checked..every nurse main of repute either quite her entirely or says shes just screwed rn..so I'm more leaning toward their thoughts..plus as a nurse main myself I can very well see where she stands

  • copperslycoppersly Member Posts: 1,919

    To be clear my main issue is how you claim in only a few hours you're suddenly so good with Nurse you think she's broken, but it is accepted fact by the DbD community that it takes MANY hours to just LEARN Nurse, and many more to crush with her. I doubt you've picked her up and achieved this level of competency in such a short time.

  • SluzzySluzzy Member Posts: 638

    Food for thought: If she was sooooooo good as streamers like to make her out to be, why does nobody play her? They avoid her like a plague because she is bad and a clunky mess due to the cooldown mechanic. And when they face the rare Nurse, it is always a "baby nurse". Streamers never liked the old nurse because a good one could stop them. No matter how good you got with other killers, the looping mechanics in the game allows survivors to be invincible.

  • Sunbreaker7Sunbreaker7 Member Posts: 169

    If I were the devs, I would do a complete rework of her entire playstyle. I would remove the blinking completely and just make her into something else that is more fun and accessable to all levels of players.

  • FreudentraumaFreudentrauma Member Posts: 845

    She is more than that. It's all about positioning between the Survivor and her, figuring out where she blinks, where they go etc. Pallets are even usable against her in other ways. It's a different type of mindgame compared to looping. That's why I think that they made her blinks a little bit more readable was a good change from their side. She had it a little bit to easy at shorter blinks and bad connections.

    Thing is no matter how you look at her additional cooldown or not it's just undeniable that her entire new playstyle is not fun anymore. And that mostly because she has an artifical crippled momentum with two different parallel running cooldowns. The only other killer who has something like this ist Legion. And their stun plus cooldown combo works only because their power is not designed as a primary movement tool and has to recharged for a longer time, while they can move and chase with normal movement speed. Their momentum isn't hindered by the artifical cooldown. That's the issue with the Nurse now. No matter how you look at it. It's just a bad design. And shouldn't be in the game or reconsidered.

    I understand where you are coming from. But that would be kinda sad. She is one of the true game changers in this game. Her entire chase etc. is different because of her quite unique mechanic. Something would be truelly lost, if we lose her playstyle. No matter as annoying you think it is.

  • edgarpoopedgarpoop Member Posts: 1,969

    It's impossible to have a constructive conversation about Nurse. Apparently, the only people who have valid opinions are those who never play her, and the last people we should be listening to are the actual Nurse players. It's so frustrating.

    She's the best killer in the game? Cool. Why doesn't anyone use her? It's genius really. The community has actually created a pyramid scheme of a killer in their minds. There are god Nurse players out there, surely, but nobody can seem to find one.

    If anyone wants an honest take from someone who still plays her every day at rank 1, here it is: She's top tier, but equal to Spirit/Billy/Freddy. You're not going to have any better shot with her against top level survivors who truly know how to play against her than you would if you were equally good with Billy. But that's also map dependent, which for some reason people don't think matters at all for Nurse.

    You're going to have to guess a lot with good survivors. There's an rng element to Nurse that isn't there with the other top tier killers whose counterplay doesn't revolve entirely around distance and LOS breaks. Throw 4 dead hards in and you're done. The cooldown introduced an element of inefficiency to her which makes it hard to keep up with objective efficient survivors.

    Obviously, four W gamers are still going to get wrecked. Which is why adding a cooldown was flawed in the first place. It only helped the survivors who already knew the counterplay begin with. They never needed a cooldown to juke her and giving them one now means only super experienced Nurses stand a chance against 4 good survivors. The skill curve is arguably too steep now.

  • KakateveKakateve Member Posts: 287

    ANY killer can do that. Especially Billys. It depends on how boosted the survivors are. Yes even in the case of Nurse.

  • memiiekomemiieko Member Posts: 177

    since the rework, i haven't lost to a nurse unless it was because I was playing like an idiot like healing at the exit gates; anyone can be OP if they end the game in a minute, I once did that WITH CLOWN; in conclusion Clown is as OP as Nurse

  • citroncitron Member Posts: 78
  • NullSp3cNullSp3c Member Posts: 755

    This just reminds me of the legion rework. Except that you need skill to play now while m1ing but the power in itself just got destroyed. Just limitations over limitations, i feel your pain.

  • RaptorrotasRaptorrotas Member Posts: 1,941
    edited April 22

    Well, the cooldown is a straight nerf as her blinks/min determine both her map pressure and chase potential. Afterall, she gotta "spam" blinks for basic movement.

    (For nurse, adding/increased cooldown is comparable to forcing survivors to crouch for 2 second for every 20m they run. Lol)

    For nurse to turn visible before she can attack already increased her counterplay.

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