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Locking Dwight's Last Memories Behind A Paywall... Nice...



  • MerGirl2003MerGirl2003 Member Posts: 110

    I didn’t notice this before as I’m only interested in unlocking Kate, Huntress and the Legion’s lore, but this does seem pretty shady.

  • FrekiFreki Member Posts: 1,772

    I apologize i was combining your complaints with the original poster's complaints because they are VERY similar.

  • Yung_SlugYung_Slug Member Posts: 2,193
    edited May 2020

    Where? It looks like you can just go around those challenges to me.

    Edit: Okay, I see what you mean now. I wonder if that was intentional. It doesn't make much sense.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,318

    Imagine locking a character's lore behind a challenge for another character that you have to invest in. Excellent move BHVR, as if there weren't enough people buying Kate already.

  • WaffleyumboyWaffleyumboy Member Posts: 7,318

    It may not be a paywall but it's still a heavy investment just so you can have an achievement for another character, not to mention this is a horrible investment otherwise.

  • ggezbabyggezbaby Member Posts: 246
    edited May 2020

    sounds to me like you’re just a stubborn person. Kate is FREE. Anything you can buy with shards is FREE. You just need to work for it. I also had no intention or want to buy Kate, but I used my shards to get her for the rift. Do I like her perks? No. Will I use her often? No, but she’s free. So it was no big deal. You just sound entitled. You can spend 9k shards of the 13k u have now.

  • DetailedDetrimentDetailedDetriment Member Posts: 2,174

    "You don't have to purchase her".

    Purchase options:

    9000 shards


    Free options:


    Currency is currency. Though it can be earned, you are still spending it.

  • BBQnDemogorgonBBQnDemogorgon Member Posts: 3,586
    edited May 2020

    This whole OP is a lie anyway you don't have to buy Kate in any way to do the Dwight Challenge. There is a Prologue/Starting point and Dwight is the very first Challenge before Kate's

  • DehitayDehitay Member Posts: 1,602

    If you only care about the lore, then you don't need to do the archives at all. You can find the lore on the internet. If you care about completing it, then expect to have to put work in to complete it. The fact that you don't want to unlock characters means there's a limit to how much completion you care about anyways. It's either worth it to your or it isn't. And complaining about having to put effort into getting something isn't going to get you sympathy from the majority of players who constantly have to put effort into getting things.

  • DetailedDetrimentDetailedDetriment Member Posts: 2,174

    If you hover over Kate's icon and the survivor master challenge in the top left, you will see that both of the challenges unlock lore pieces for Dwight.

  • DetailedDetrimentDetailedDetriment Member Posts: 2,174

    Isn't she the most purchased I guess "item" in the game other than Nea's Harajuku Graffiti outfit?

  • BBQnDemogorgonBBQnDemogorgon Member Posts: 3,586

    In that case wouldn't you also have to count challenges like Boiling Point? That's a kate perk challenge with A Story by any other name as a reward.

  • Mister_xDMister_xD Member Posts: 5,745

    so your point is that you dont intent to get the things required for the challenges, yet you complain about not having the things required to beat the challenges... ?

  • FrekiFreki Member Posts: 1,772

    the definition of a paywall: "A paywall is a method of restricting access to content via a purchase or paid subscription. ... Paywalls have also been used as a way of increasing the number of print subscribers; for example, some newspapers offer access to online content plus delivery of a Sunday print edition at a lower price than online access alone." shards are a gift to you for playing, using them does not make this a paywall. you would have to be only able to use cash for this to be a paywall. stop being entitled, and either look up the lore you miss, or use shards to get kate. if you have to get any perk or want any perk you don't have, do you complain about a paywall? NO! you spend 2K shards for it. that's a paywall too by your not normal definitition of a pay wall. and for that matter dwight himself is a PAYWALL, because you must pay cash money to get him in the form of purchasing the game.

    STOP changing your story and move along. it is not behind a paywall what so ever, the internet has that bit of lore you miss because of it. nothing is stopping you from complteting the rift OR the tome.

  • TricksTricks Member Posts: 856

    Wait your right. Dweights lore unlock is the starting point. you have to go through Dweight to get to Kate. thread answered lol

  • jzinskyjzinsky Member Posts: 112

    You can buy Kate with shards, I'm not. So I can't complete this one because it requires characters I don't have, which they said won't happen. Then again the new "classic" killer is a guy with a traffic cone on his head

  • des7indes7in Member Posts: 47

    Which challenges are the wall for you exactly? Excluding the Kate challenge you can still do the Dwight challenge.

  • ProfoundEndingProfoundEnding Member Posts: 1,853

    There are challenges requiring you to play Kate and use Boil Over that unlock more Dwight lore.

  • SonzaishinaiSonzaishinai Member Posts: 2,970

    I feel sorry for the op

    A third of the comments are being nitpicky on the term "paywall" the second third don't even understand what the problem is and the last third are saying to just grind 20 ingame hours for the 9000 shards for a lore piece

    Having to use a character to unlock the lore of another character is stupid. Period

    I get it's not the biggest issue in the world but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned so it can be avoided in the future

  • HuffHuff Member Posts: 1,347
    edited May 2020

    If you don't have to pay real life money for the character, it's flippin' free. How much more free does it need to be?

    It's like people don't know what a paywall is anymore.

    Also, to any of the people saying "paywall isn't the point of the post" or whatever, it's kind of hard to say that when the title of the post is literally "LOCKING DWIGHT'S LAST MEMORIES BEHIND A PAYWALL... NICE..." If it was any different of a title/complaint I wouldn't be saying this.

  • TatsuyaSuoTatsuyaSuo Member Posts: 17

    It's not like you're forced to buy dlc, the archives are not going anywhere and getting enough shards to unlock a new character doesn't really take very long given you level up pretty quickly, especially if you play both surv and killer since the first match gives extra exp.

  • UnbeatableAshUnbeatableAsh Member Posts: 101

    I really vibe with this issue. I just started playing last Halloween myself (not including the maybe 5-10 I'd put in with some friends long prior), so I had the perspective of an already absurd and growing paywall. In the time since then, I've managed to put in something like 140 dollars. I should note that includes the switch version (15) and maybe 5 or 10 bucks on the mobile version. I understand that the devs can say half of their locked content can be bought with shards, but you can't enjoy a killer or even survivor to their fullest without the perks of the others. Even beyond that, shards come ridiculously slowly to ever make getting all the original characters via that route without playing every single day for 14 hours like a maniac possible or realistic. The profile leveling system feels like a soft joke, and could really do with an update or two. Maybe every 5 levels you get to unlock a perk from a randomly generated selection or get 50 auric cells or something. I mean it's bad enough the grind for new players at any point in the last 2 years or so has been ridiculously tedious and overwhelming, imagine if you didn't have BBQ. A perk that, no matter what they say about the shrine, is not available for free under almost any circumstances. Also, I know cosmetics are sort of just that - cosmetics, but the pricing feels cruel. Ten dollars for a skin on a character that costs 5 or sometimes even less if you buy dlc or they're on sale feels weird. At least legendary skins are complete model swaps, with a lot of work behind them and seemingly often a license as well. Why does ash himself and all of perks cost basically the same amount of money as a slightly different shade of pants? That's just weird as hell. Either way, the bigger problem is obviously the paywalls in the game's actual progression. If you were to go back about a year and ask people what they would think if DbD got a mobile game, they'd probably laugh and say something about how it'd have an even worse grind and paywall, with microtransactions left and right.

    We now live in a world where the mobile version of DbD somehow has LESS of a paywall than the main game! With no hard paywalls! That is absolutely insane. Within just maybe 30 hours of playing you can get bubba having spent not so much as a penny.

    Why? Why is it like this? I don't think the devs intend to be this, like, 'greedy' about it. I think instead they just don't realize how overwhelming the paywall is for players joining the scene at this point. It makes the game a monstrous task as opposed to a fun and interesting set of challenges, goals, and rewards. I think visiting this topic should be a high priority for them, even with all the others that need attention. I know how much they care about keeping a steady flow of newcomers, so I think this would make a lot of sense to put attention and resources into.

    How would the devs accomplish this, you might ask? Well, I think any amount of help would be good. I know they're planning to visit prestige rewards, and if that means giving you a few auric cells for your trouble as I believe the mobile version does, that would be a good start, so long as the numbers are right. I think beyond that the game does need a massive overhaul to the progression system though. It wasn't designed with the amount of content we have now in mind, and it shows. That, and it doesn't feel very personal or proportional. We need more overall progression systems for your account, ones that vary from other games to offer a unique and interesting path of choices and rewards. And then we need either more control over the progression systems for each character and side (currently being unable to get the perks you want on the bloodweb for 150 levels or more, for example) or very different systems in their place. I can't imagine what this would look like, but I'm a dumbass spending too much time ranting about a game I know I'm gonna spend too much money and time on and I'm not paid to do it so uhhh yeah devs can pretty much take over from here 🤐

    (Also for clarity I have 900 hours on Steam and I feel like I've gone nowhere for the most part, send help)

  • AhoyminoyAhoyminoy Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2020
  • w_sohlw_sohl Member Posts: 121

    Don't you escape most matches on your second hook? If not, just try to kobe your first time on hook. Whala, challenge complete.

  • des7indes7in Member Posts: 47

    There are other ways to progress to the Dwight challenge. You don't have to do the Kate challenge.

  • GomolazoliGomolazoli Member Posts: 336
  • AChaoticKillerAChaoticKiller Member Posts: 2,711

    just save up your shards to buy non licensed characters instead of stupid skins for your survivors or killers.

    If you play regularly then you can earn just enough shards or more to buy both characters on release when it's a non licensed chapter. This is what i have been doing the day they allowed you to do this and I own every non-licensed character just by not spending my shards on dumb skins.

    so save your shards for characters you don't own that are related to the next archive instead of whining that you can't do the challenge because you misused your shards.

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