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Bringing back a great thread: WHO IS YOUR NEMESIS?

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  • CarlosyluCarlosylu Member Posts: 2,834

    @csandman1977 For me, Wrath is the easiest killer to go against, I just don't vault unless they become visible, just stand still and force them to chase me whyle uncloaked and repeat the "not vaulting window or pallet unless you're visible" process if they cloak. And whyle in chase, it's weird for me to face a good Wraith, here, I taped this a whyle ago, but this is usually what happens when I face Wraiths:

    And in this last one he got me cause of broken "through the paller hit"


  • JoelwinoJoelwino Member Posts: 546

    As survivor, Freddy and Doctor. I don't have much problem with doctor, he's not overpowered, I just hate his creepy excited breathing when he downs you and picks you up. Freddy on the other hand, I despise. Usually I'm against teabagging and bm in general, but I have no problem doing any of that versus a Freddy. Maybe if they wanted me to respect them they should've played a character that takes actual skill to win with. Bonus bm points if he has NOED or Bamboozle.

    As killer I don't really have a nemesis, I've seen every survivor be both the cutest thing ever and a toxic little [BAD WORD]. But the thing I see the most out of every survivor is just them being stupid. I've seen every survivor make incredibly questionable decisions while in a chase at least once. So I don't really hate anyone.

  • AnevianAnevian Member Posts: 47

    Trapper is my kryptonite. Well one that can effectively shut down an area with traps. I'm like the 2 dudes from Home Alone, I don't look down. Most of the time when I lose to trapper like 2/3 of my hooks result from traps lol.

  • Spooky13Spooky13 Member Posts: 1,381

    Any of the stealth killers. My eyes just suddenly decide to not work against a Ghostface, Pig, Wraith, or Myers. For killer, any neon Neas who actually know what they're doing. Those people are scary and I don't like them.

  • youarewronglolyouarewronglol Member Posts: 445

    I see the killer move and i'm like damn they're actually gonna try? this is gonna blow

  • lucid4444lucid4444 Member Posts: 431

    Yep, but that won't make those grapes any less sour :)

    In other words, your mentality is just holding you back. You're making up rules for the game that are not in the game at all, that have nothing to do with winning or losing, but playing how YOU think the game should be played. It sounds like you play to feel superior to other players, not to win.

  • Vox_NocturneVox_Nocturne Member Posts: 545

    Nemesis Killer: The Shape. He just keeps on taking from me, and Tier 2 is the only time I feel like my heart might make it through the match.

    Nemesis Survivor: Oddly, the worst I've had is Adam!! They often seen all cocky, what with there edumacation and shizzle.

    A special mention goes out to The Ghost Face. I don't have so much of a problem against him, but that bumwipe just annoys me.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 1,208

    Listen, famalam, I have played Deathslinger extensively since he came out, and I can say for certain: If Deathslinger mains were actually good at the game, they'd be playing Huntress.

    Sounds to me like you're just salty that I talked trash about your main turning DBD into a point-and-click adventure game.

  • CarlosyluCarlosylu Member Posts: 2,834
  • Seiko300Seiko300 Member Posts: 1,382

    Dude, it's so wacky I'm not the only one who has a personal "nemesis".

    As survivor it's Leatherface. It's absolutely embarrassing because I am very much aware Leatherface isn't a particularly good killer, and yet I personally always seem to die when going up against one.

    It's like whenever there's a Leatherface they're either a complete scrub or an absolute God, there is no middle ground with that guy. And I almost always get the Gods 😭


    As killer I dunno, nobody really specific, I suppose your average P3 Claudette is always a thorn in my side to deal with.

  • CarlosyluCarlosylu Member Posts: 2,834

    I used to have trouble against LF until I managed to know how to counter the insta down chainsaw face camp with a flashlight and BT, one blinds him whyle the other one unhooks with BT

  • Seiko300Seiko300 Member Posts: 1,382
    edited June 9

    Lol I play solo most of the time so I don't have the benefit of that kind of coordination.

    Even if I did I think automatically that sounds like a really risky play in the first place, better to wait for him to leave than risk it all on a guy with a multi-hit instant down.

    EDIT: I just read "face camp" my bad. My problem with leatherface isn't being camped it's just leatherface in general.

  • lucid4444lucid4444 Member Posts: 431

    Funny, I'd say Huntress is just a better version of Deathslinger. So to use your logic - only good players would play Deathslinger since it's easy to 4k with Huntress. You can trash talk him all you want, I certainly do. I just think he's fun because he has a gun.

    But my point was that your logic is that of a scrub - I'm not insulting your skill, I'm sure you're very good at this game. But you've put limitations in your mind about this game that are holding you back. Give it some thought.

  • ErkErk Member Posts: 230

    For killer : Adam. I have to camp him because he has Deliverance.

    For survivor : Doctor. I am not good at looping and with that shock, oof.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 1,208

    "good players would play Deathslinger since it's easy to 4k with Huntress."

    What you just told me is like saying "Nurse doesn't take skill because she's the best Killer in the game." Better =/= easier; if that were true, Legion would be harder than any other Killer on the roster.


    "But my point was that your logic is that of a scrub"

    Imagine calling someone a scrub when you main Deathslinger.


    "But you've put limitations in your mind about this game that are holding you back."

    I have put exactly zero limitations on myself. The hell are you on about?


    "Give it some thought."

    I've given it plenty of thought. And I've come to the steadfast conclusion that if you play Freddy, Spirit, or Deathslinger, then you want to be able to do well but not have to put in the effort of actually being better than your opponent. You want to win without trying. And as a result, I dislike going against these three Killers because they take incredibly little effort and the skill of the Survivor vs. the skill of the Killer becomes much more irrelevant than against any other Killer.

  • CarlosyluCarlosylu Member Posts: 2,834

    @lucid4444 and @Demogordon_Ramsay I think both of you are getting off the point and taking it personally, I think what @lucid4444 was tryig to say is that "if it's harder to play as, then you're better at the game" meaning Deathslinger is harder than Huntres and yes, for console, a Nurse user is better than any other player (Nurse on console or mobile is the hardest killer to play as) but on PC no, Freddy and Nurse, even though they have a higher kill rate, they are not for pro players, but more for players who have the time to learn them and get an easy 4k.

    Show me a player who can 4k a 4 men red ranks SWF (who play as they should, no mistakes) as Legion or Clown without perks or addons on Cornfields and I'd say that's the most skiller gamer I've ever seen on DBD.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 1,208

    "Show me a player who can 4k a 4 men red ranks SWF (who play as they should, no mistakes) as Legion or Clown without perks or addons on Cornfields and I'd say that's the most skiller gamer I've ever seen on DBD."

    That is literally impossible precisely because both of those Killers are incredibly basic. Against a perfect or even a good team, winning as those Killers is not a matter of skill. Your skill becomes completely irrelevant. Those two Killers are so incredibly simplistic that they physically do not have the capabilities to win against good Survivors. Just because a Killer like Nurse has those capabilities doesn't make her any easier; it just makes her stronger.

    Again, saying a Killer is easier just because they're better is like saying handling a Desert Eagle is easier than handling a BB gun because the Desert Eagle packs more punch. Make no mistake, Huntress is better than Deathslinger, but she's also harder. Much, much harder. You must be much better at Huntress to perform well.

  • CarlosyluCarlosylu Member Posts: 2,834

    "saying a Killer is easier just because they're better" I didn't say this, what I meant is that if they're harder to use and you can get a 3k+ against a good team, that makes you a better gamer.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 1,208

    Exactly, and Huntress is harder to use than Deathslinger. There are more situations where a Huntress's power works against her (huge TR, locker reloads, etc.) and because of her much longer rev, there is significantly less room for error as Huntress. However, learning not to make mistakes grants you a powerful chase tool that can be used up to 5 times in a chase at base.

    Meanwhile, Deathslinger is the opposite: He has a smaller TR with quiet music that allows him to be stealthier, and his rev is so incredibly fast that the simple act of him having a gun is usually enough to psych the Survivor out, even if the Deathslinger isn't using it. In multiple ways, his power does the work for him, whereas Huntress's power forces her to work harder. He also has the advantage of ironsights, a less clunky hitbox, and a projectile that is immune to gravity, making his gun much easier to aim than Huntress's hatchets. He also doesn't need to reload at a locker and can do so in the middle of a chase.

    However, Deathslinger has some hard limitations that make him worse than Huntress, and these limitations are completely and utterly irrelevant to his skill. Those two limits would be his range, and his reload—it does not matter if you are the best shot in the entire universe; the range of your gun does not exceed 18 metres. In addition, no matter how well you use your power, how clutch of a shot you landed, whether you hit or miss, you have no choice but to reload after every single shot. Huntress's limits can be overcome, but Deathslinger's cannot. However, that does not mean he is more difficult. You cannot compare the difficulty of a limit that can be overcome with the difficulty of a limit that can't.

    That is why Deathslinger is easier than Huntress, despite being worse: His skill ceiling overall is much, much lower as he suffers from far less disadvantages, but the disadvantages he does have do not go away as the Deathslinger becomes more skilled. You cannot master what cannot be mastered.

    To bring back the analogy of guns: If I had to learn to shoot right-handed guns when I'm left-hand dominant, but by learning to do so I become more accurate with a gun than a right-hand dominant individual, that does not mean it was easier for me to do. It just means I'm better. Similarly, just because Huntress is better does not make her easier. It is much more difficult to verse Survivors equal to your skill with Huntress than it is with Deathslinger until you get to high levels, at which point Deathslinger's limits give him the same issue Clown and Legion has: His kit just isn't good enough for his skill to be relevant. You cannot bring skill into a matter of a legitimately insurmountable challenge. Deathslinger is much easier to pick up than Huntress, and you will hit Deathslinger's skill ceiling much faster than Huntress's. This makes Deathslinger easier, but overall it makes him worse.

    There's a term for this in video games: Skill vs. reward, sometimes referred to as risk vs. reward. Deathslinger is a low-skill, low-reward Killer: Easier to learn, but can only do so much. Conversely, Huntress is high-skill, high-reward: Capable of doing much more when played well, but actually getting to the point where you're playing her will takes much more time.

  • lucid4444lucid4444 Member Posts: 431

    Look up "Introducing... the scrub". Read it and analyze how it applies to you and how you play the game. I won't resurrect this dead thread again since I'm not sure how to PM someone on these forums.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 1,208

    What rules am I imposing on myself? The rule that Deathslinger, Freddy, and Spirit are very easy to learn and do well with? That's not a rule. That's a claim. A disputable, debatable fact.

    You act as if I'm saying you're not allowed to play these Killers. I sorely wish you didn't, but I'm not gonna report you for doing so. I'm not making rules for myself by disliking going against these Killers. All I said is that I dislike going against them, and that won't change in their current states. I will continue to dislike going against them because I think they're poorly-balanced and not fun to fight. You are allowed to play these Killers, and I am allowed to find them the opposite of fun.

    Unless you're saying I'm a scrub for having an opinion, in which case, I think you're projecting.

  • lucid4444lucid4444 Member Posts: 431

    I didn't say any of those things. You have a habit of strawman-ing to feel superior. Read the article, it might help you.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 1,208

    I did. The article drones on and on about how the scrub is limiting himself with a made-up set of rules.

    Guess what? If you link me to an article that talks on and on about how a scrub makes up his own rules, and you call me a scrub, you're saying I make up my own rules. I don't. Hate to tell you, but I'm not strawmanning; I'm just stating the obvious.

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