This exactly. I'm more than fine with borrowed time punishing tunneling killers, but it shouldn't be rewarding hook farmers.
EDIT: I actually think a good fix for it would be that EVEN if the unhooker had borrowed time, if they farm the survivor in the killers face, borrowed time STILL works for the one who was unhooked, but if they take a hook and get put into the mending state, the unhooker no longer gets the "Safe unhook" points. For the unhooker, it would be as if borrowed time didn't exist. They would still be punished, and the freshly unhooked person wouldn't likely get tunneled, or even slugged.
Im a killer main. Bt is fine. I go for the unhooker anyways.
People think "oh you want BT to be nerfed a bit? TUNNELER!!!11111" Same with DS.
Point is that just because something is overtuned (BT, DS), doesn't mean we want to tunnel.
How do u want us to take your opinion serious when you LIED to us in the stretched res discussion so it fits your entitled killer main agenda?
I mean, BT just needs to be changed so if the unhooked person takes a hit, they still don't go down, but that hit also strips the unhooker of the ability to get a safe unhook. The effect on the unhooked survivor would remain the same.
As for DS, just make it so if someone else is hooked, you unhook someone else, you fully heal, or you get on a generator, it disables. If any of those 4 things happen, you are obviously not being tunneled. I have zero issues with anti tunnel perks, as long as they don't reward just parading yourself in the killers face cause you know you are invincible.
Because it’s meant to altruistically save people on the hook but its best use is by far and long turning the person who got unhooked into a meat shield because until those 15 seconds are up, both the unhooked and the unhooker are completely invincible with this strategy. It rewards unhooking in the Killer’s face like a complete idiot. It rewards Survivors for making a stupid, reckless, suicidal misplay.
God you will not shut up about that will you?
The image isn't edited, he quickly adjusted his camera in a similar position to try and show streched isn't cheating. Look back at the clip, he quickly looks up.
I'm not here to discuss this with you, and more importantly the fact you keep on following me around threads exclaiming I edited something when I didn't makes you look childish as hell. ESPECIALLY when the topic isn't even about stretched.
It seems to be some killers are unable to do this, smh
This is called "harassment". They're the type of person who laughs at their own jokes, cause nobody else is laughing. So they need to fill the laughter void.
"Hey guys look at this *insert false accusation here*, he did this!!!111! His opinion is not valid reeEEEEEEEE"
He did this in another thread, not the first time lmao.
Nah, I was on this thread before you, next time dont edit pictures to get up votes :)
This is the definition of a entitled killer main, you clearly did that on purpose, let's pretend all survivors look to the ground LMAO
I feel ya, man. Just laugh knowing - you're better than them, and you're actually trying to contribute instead of being an awful human being.
Once again, not here to discuss that, if you think I "edited" an image when the best editing software I have is MS paint, then that's you.
Just remove the ability to get safe unhook points if the person who has BT gets unhooked. Simple fix so if they want to be a shield, it punishes the unhooker either way. I'd be fine with that. No more stacks of WGLF just because you have BT.
As a surv - People come for the dumbest saves just because they have borrowed time.
As a killer - It just sucks when you find an injured surv, smack them, and they still had bt.
It has no limitations in the number of times it can be used in a match.
Imagine if it worked the other way around. If it was a killer perk that caused any hooked survivor who is rescued outside of 32 meters from the killer to instantly be put in the dying state for up to 20 seconds and could be used unlimited number of times in a match.
That's why it sucks
So make your choice but stronger?
Exactly on that second part. Running towards the hook as I hook the survivor is the dumbest thing survivors can do. BT let's them get away with it.
Don't be so sure. I had a game recently where a Kate unhooked in my face twice without Borrowed Time. I know she didn't have it because, while I won't actively tunnel a freshly unhooked Survivor, I will attack them if given the opportunity, and I downed the rescuee both times. Rather than re-hook though, I just went after the Kate each time and hooked her.
I've taken to running Borrowed Time alongside Babysitter. I try not to make stupid saves with it, since part of the idea is to use Babysitter to give them a chance to get away, but I have gone for the occasional YOLO Save.
IDK if the two are comparable. MYC is a limited window of time to put the rescuer into the dying state on one hit. It still required the killer to catch the rescuer and hit then within a limited time frame. A killer version of BT would basically put the rescued person in the dying state for a limited time but could be used an unlimited number of time in a match or as many hooks each survivor has before dying, so a max of 12 times I guess.
My bad, I misread the the comment.
I wouldn’t say they get away with it. In that scenario you’ll be getting an ez hook exchange in most cases. It definitely makes the punishment less harsh though. Instead of a slug and hook exchange you just get the exchange. Possibly nothing if you proc the BT.
I disagree with you that 90% of the time killers are trying to slug them off an unsafe unhook to punish the other guys altruism. The vast majority of the time it happens to me they immediately rehook me. Or chase the other guy enough to get a hit or down. And then immediately rehook me.
That said, what you described is exactly what I do. For the exact reason you mentioned.
DS is a thing that exists. Killers always anticipate it, unless there's no obsession. Then it would just straight up be a bad play not to hook them again.
I dislike how abusable it is.
When a BT survivor will body block for their rescuer, or camp a narrow pathway, forcing me to either hit them, or go around, there's an issue.
When a team can run the perk and simply bum rush hooks for a save, either leading me back to a hooked survivor and simply running around, and getting the save, there's an issue. Especially when it leads to my first point.
When the BT survivor will follow me as I chase somebody else, either to try and hinder me by body blocking, waiting around for a flashlight save/pallet stun, or annoying me enough to make me give the hit, there's an issue.
When BT fails, and they still bum rush due to DS/Unbreakable, there's an issue.
Again, by itself, BT is not OP. It can just be abused to high heaven. Especially during EGC when the killer really has no other choice but to patrol around anybody they've hooked.
Because some people will bodyblock the killer so he doesnt get a hit on the unhooker.
But hey if he wants to get tunneled I will tunnel him🤷♀️
I feel the same. I often run Save The Best For Last on many killers as well, so I will gladly proc Borrowed Time if the survivor's a non-obsession in order to get a stack. Even though Deep Wound sucks at downing people, in that time, the survivor has to put up with it and can't do anything meaningful until they mend. Out of all the meta perks in the game, Borrowed Time is the one I mind the least, and I myself will use it sometimes when I want my teammate to get out safely.
From both a killer and survivor perspective, BT is a pathetic excuse not to take agro if your gonna do a unsafe rescue. Granted you can't control who the killer is going to go after, but at least try to take hit
Because they can’t get their easy downs after tunneling off hook. Simple as that.