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PSA about MMR



  • KilmeranKilmeran Member Posts: 3,139
    edited August 2020

    So, for someone who only plays around 10 matches in a week because I only play video games one, maybe two nights a week, it could take close to a month for my MMR to settle? And that is just for survivor or one killer? And that is if, on that night or nights, I only play DbD and not Overwatch or WoW?

    Fuck that, pass.

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    The separate killer is what’s probably really throwing things for a loop... it’s good in theory but like you most people don’t get to play hours and hours day after day.

    I might not pick up Doctor or Demo for days or week... but I’m decent enough that when I do play them I’ll be wrecking the lowBird I’m matched against

  • KilmeranKilmeran Member Posts: 3,139
    edited August 2020

    Exactly. It looks good on paper. The issue is that they have 20 killers, with the 21st due out . . . when? . . . in September, next month? I don't play Trapper, Hillbiilly, or Nurse, but that still leaves 17 killers (plus Survivor for 18) that I would need to settle an MMR with. And it is obviously taking longer than the 10 matches they claimed it would.

    That would be like Overwatch saying to get an SR for all 32 heroes, instead of just for each role: damage, support, and tank. And even then, you only need five placement matches per role, for a grand total of 15 placements if you want to do it for all three roles (disclaimer: I would only did it for Support and Tank).

    And I'm not interested in limiting myself to just a couple of killers, especially when I paid money for each DLC and didn't use shards for the non-licensed. I might want to play Myers, then Freddy, then Doc, then Ghostface, and so on.

    But as a casual gamer (i.e. very limited time), that means I will have to constantly chew glass when I play, because it would take me forever to get a correct MMR on them, even if it was really only 10 matches, which feedback shows it clearly is not, not even for survivor which is just a single MMR.

    Between the design of the Rift and now this, it just seems like they are trying to force login engagement and get those high metrics. As I'm sure that helps them in securing licenses.

    Not the game I signed up for. It already has enough asinine grinds.

  • badaB00M3RbadaB00M3R Member Posts: 80
    edited August 2020

    Well, I don't know what to tell ya. You can check and see I was pretty annoyed about all of this yesterday. My first few matches tonight were no different. Then, it was as if a light switch flipped. The last five games were all... pretty awesome. It was win some / lose some, but I was matched with teammates who knew what they were doing and gave an effort. We had killers who were challenging, but not abusive. I doubt it'll always be this way but considering how it started out for me yesterday, this five game streak was incredible. If the MMR system can manage to hold on to this I'll have a very different opinion.

    Edit: I'd guess this was somewhere around 50-60 matches.

  • The_Bootie_GorgonThe_Bootie_Gorgon Member Posts: 2,340

    6 games in with the hilly of billy....

    I was playing a lot of hillbilly and bubba after their updates.

    my matches feel challenging...i'm not giving free escapes any more, and i'm not being overrun to where i feel there's nothing i can do.

  • HalunHalun Member Posts: 177

    If they actually have a working, decent MMR system? Yeah basically.

    Once the majority of the players in the system go through their qualifying matches, things will tend to fall into place a lot better. I know it sucks for the moment (new seasons always suck at the start), but if the system works, things will improve slowly over time.

    But yeah, the hidden MMR thing is sketchy as hell to me, and that's kinda my fear as well. Without ratings, we literally cannot know if it's functioning or not. Even if they aren't lying to us, and they DO have a real MMR system, how can we just take their word for it? I hate saying that too, because I feel so conspiratorial... but it bothers me.

    Yeah the lack of transparency (and clinging to ranks, despite the fact they know it's causing confusion) is an issue.

    I can only speak based on experience with other games with reasonably well-working systems... But even taking prior weighting into account, qualifying matches can vastly change your ranking based on performance. That's why in OW for instance, people (who played seriously at least) often took their placement games really seriously. It's awful if you're trying to start in plat, after reaching plat last season, only to end up midway in gold because you had a string of bad placement matches.

    Not telling players about how the system works will only hinder players and cause this "new season" phenomenon to be more intense and last longer while the system tries to work out players relative ratings, because the players literally don't know what's happening.

    I couldn't imagine trying to get to a high rank in OW without even knowing HOW the system functioned... without knowing my rating or rank... and without even knowing WHEN I'm playing my placement matches. etc. It seems insane to me that they're going about it this way.

  • The_Bootie_GorgonThe_Bootie_Gorgon Member Posts: 2,340

    lmfao i'm getting more and more hate chat as i play more games under the new MMR. I'm probably a c-tier killer, but i'm not holding back anymore. I was letting ppl escape and fake chasing ppl. I'm ten games in and my games are an adrensline rush and i ######### love it....I feel challenged

  • MikaKimMikaKim Member Posts: 328

    That's the take home message at this point.

    Anyone stating that its working as intended or that you 'just have to play 10 games' clearly doesn't have any insight into the issue.

    It's literally train wreck after train wreck for games, one way or the other.

  • KilraneKilrane Member Posts: 89

    They should've used Rank to heavily weight MMR until a threshold of information was reached. They really need to do that to help keep baby killers and newbie survivors from the jaws of veterans.

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    Yep, even though they aren’t perfect indicators current rank and/or hours played could have been used to give everyone a starter point and it would shake out from there

  • LetcheLetche Member Posts: 95

    Been playing survivor for a few hours (consistent R1 for a long time), just got a small update so I'm waiting for that now, but the killers I've been getting are f'ing hilarious. Like actually.

    Clown with pinky finger who kept only trying to hit bottle shots at R3. Pretty fun time tbh cause his aim was bad. Threw a bottle right between me and my buddy's head at gate.

    Right before that Tombstone Michael with noed who we didn't know was Tombstone until I got grabbed at the exit gate and murdered, lmao (my bad). He had hooked one person the whole match, definitely didn't seem to know what he was doing the whole game.

    I'd say from what I've seen so far I'm getting mostly newer or inexperienced killers with a handful of killers at my skill level sprinkled in with mostly literal R20 babies for teams. Every other game I have like one teammate that is in or around red ranks and the rest are yellow and brown. I've seen more of those two colors recently than ever before. Used to be almost exclusively green and up.

    And before anyone says anything, I know ranks are supposed to not matter anymore, but this is the same as describing a R20 that plays like they're actually more experienced (aka a smurf). You would describe them as being R1 experienced. When you play with/against people, especially multiple times, you tend to get an understanding of how they play and what their skill level may actually be and compensate accordingly.

    If the R20 killer is playing as though they're R1, I'm not going to be able to pull off certain things I would be able to against someone who was actually R20 in skill.

    If my R1 teammate crouch walks to a corner of the map without urban with the killer nowhere near us expecting me to follow and heal them, I'm going to know I can't rely on them.

  • TTVfbYTigTWTTVfbYTigTW Member Posts: 85
    edited August 2020

    Well over 30 games in now. Feels exactly like every other game of dbd over the past several months.

    Meaning - getting paired with 2-3 yellow ranks, sometimes red ranks, sometimes purple or green. Pairing vs a variety of killers.

    Maybe there really is an MMR system. A secret, hidden MMR system that has no tiers, that no one can see, that works behind the scenes, and tiers are hidden from players because iz good. Sure 😂

  • badaB00M3RbadaB00M3R Member Posts: 80

    I guess I need to stop screwing around and start killing again. I used to be a killer main but had to switch survivor due to long queue times. I like the 3 and 4ks but I also like to farm. When I farm I call it "Killing with Kindness," because I'm letting people go on 3rd hook and escape, etc. Really, it's because every game was either me dominating the map or me being stomped. It sounds like I might not have to worry about any of that anymore.

  • johnmwarnerjohnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    Anyone who believes any company, whether it’s gaming or something more serious, that says “it’s all a secret but trust us it’s there,” is a complete idiot

  • SloppyKnockoutSloppyKnockout Member Posts: 1,505

    I've had 53 matches over the last few days (I'm on holiday) as killer. Rank 1 killer, playing nothing but Wraith since the MMR came out (since I have the most BP offerings on bing bong). Started off facing potatoes, still facing potatoes; and not just like, "bad" survivors. Literally people won't don't know what they are doing and it shows. Running into walls constantly, not knowing where pallets are, constantly missing skill checks, slow-vaulting right in front of me etc. Just, new players.

  • Demogordon_RamsayDemogordon_Ramsay Member Posts: 1,503
    edited August 2020

    Sorry, but a red rank and a grey rank should never be put into the same lobby, period. One is highly likely to have hundreds or even thousands of hours on the game. The other doesn't know what a Deep Wound is.

  • AceonfireAceonfire Member Posts: 304

    This entire fan base is insane. BHVR NEVER got ranks right. They have fundamentally shown they have NO IDEA how to measure someone's skill in this game. So why does anyone think they've suddenly figured out some working logic to do it with MMR. MMR and their old ranking were in essence, the same thing. Both were attempting to pair people with oothers of of their own skill. Meanwhile.......Twitch streamers are jumping ship. They are the only reason this game is even remotely relavent and hasnt died off completely. Most of them stopped playing survivor solo, and have switched to killer which is going to be the meta for the players in general, then you'll see the queue times get even worse for killer. The devs and their egos have just trashed this game. PRETTY GOOD JOB SO FAR GUYS!

  • The_Bootie_GorgonThe_Bootie_Gorgon Member Posts: 2,340

    I'm only 6 games in on billy. I'll probably do another 3 tonight with him.

    I know others are not experiencing what I am in their match making, and bhvr is aware of it.

    I'm barely about to break 100 hrs since switching to pc from ps4.

    I'll see what my 3 matches feel like tonite.

  • UMCorianUMCorian Member Posts: 521
    edited August 2020

    I just got the game a few days ago.

    It does seem to take *a lot* more matches as Survivor for MM to start working. As Killer, within 5 matches, I was fighting Rank 16-20 Survivors as a Rank 19-20 killer.

    As a Survivor, just played my 8th... no joke, Rank 1 Killer, Rank 1-3 Each Other Survivor. Then me at 18.

    This is a fun game, but boy did I buy it at the wrong time. I have no idea what questions this system is asking itself after 8 games where it's like: "Here's the answer: stick this guy with 3 red survivors and a red killer. That's where he belongs" but I truly felt awful as the killer got a perfect game because they were essentially 3v1 from the start.

  • Hollyleaf12Hollyleaf12 Member Posts: 37

    I’ve been playing a bit over the last few days, and for me personally it feels like the MMR is working great. I’ve never been beyond rank 15, since I don’t have a lot of time to play, (I’ve been playing for almost a year and I have about 70-80 hours in the game).

    I main Huntress, and the first 5 or 6 games were easy 4K’s, but then I started getting put against purple and red ranks with 1000-2000 hours and I am now more invested in this game than I ever have been, because now instead of every match either being me getting bullied to death, or me stomping on the poor new rank 20’s, my games have been at the point where if I make bad mistakes I will only get one kill, and if I play well, I will usually get 3 kills, 4 if I manage to pull of something more impressive then I usually do.

    Probably the only less fun match I had once my MMR set in was one match where I got put against a 2 player SWF, both with good flashlights, head on, quick and quiet, DS and Unbreakable, and even in that match I was able to get a 2K, killing the SWF right before they were able to escape.

  • MegarisMegaris Member Posts: 104

    Disclose ratings, that's all I request.

  • badaB00M3RbadaB00M3R Member Posts: 80

    Well, I figured I'd update here since this is where I started:

    I am legitimately in the range of 85-95 games as a survivor. As you'll recall (or could go look) Tuesday was brutal curbstomping all day long ending around 40-50 missions. Yesterday, I played another 30 and by 70 matches total over 2 days, I finally had around 7 matches that all felt perfectly balanced. They were win some / lose some, but all where challenging and fun with people (survivors and killers) who seemed to know what they are doing. Today, I have literally been matched with either rank 1 or 2 killers and they actually play like it, so they are legit. We're getting matched with one - two players who might have a clue and then two others who are obviously new or intentionally downranking.

    Literally one of the games I've played today I felt like all the players had an idea what was going on and we were still destroyed because the rank 1 killer (Again, skills matched the rank) obviously knew his killer inside and out. That one match might have gone okay, but the killer's player was to strong for us to get any traction.

    As an aside: I understand they are hiding our true ranks so as to not encourage people to intentionally downrank, but they are doing it anyway and even suggesting others do it in pre-game chat...

    My problem now is how terribly inconsistent MMR is. 5 games today have been garbage. In nearly 100 games total, I should have had more than 7 that felt balanced.

  • crispcatcrispcat Member Posts: 2

    Well I spent 18 hours playing yesterday as a survivor with no noticeable difference. Spent 18 hours today playing a single killer only to play against ppl with over 1k hours the whole time. Only kills I managed were when they would get too cocky. My rank 12 killer rank doesn’t matter anymore, and neither do the ranks that were all 1-4, but there is definitely a skill gap there. This “10 games before you notice a difference” really means nothing for a lot of us right now. I’ve played around 300 hours, bought all the dlc, and most of the cosmetics, and have decided DbD is no longer for me. I liked sweating as a survivor, but I can’t even casually play as a killer to mix things up at this point.

  • I'm genuinely ######### if they don't fix this. I'm a rank 10 Spirit main, and the last 20+ games have all been 3-4 escapes and me getting absolutely ######### by players far beyond my skill range, I don't know what I did to calibrate it this way, but it seems now that it is, I'm way out of my skill league to the point I've had to play other killers just to get anything above a 1k.

  • BadWraithMainBadWraithMain Member Posts: 25

    So why not state when it was working and how it's working exactly? I know dead thread is dead, but still, this isn't something you leave your playerbase in the dark about. Especially since it seems these issues are pretty widespread.

  • MozzieMozzie Member Posts: 618

    The new MMR system has been disabled as of today, at least. My guess is they are taking time to rework it or they disabled it for cross play for tomorrow.

  • BadWraithMainBadWraithMain Member Posts: 25

    I mean, that's good and all, but this isn't the first time they've made drastic changes and not clued in the playerbase as to why they even done it (i.e. Lunar Event)

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