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The unfair standard survivor mains set for us killers

I keep seeing posts of games by good streamers where they get gen-rushed and completely lose the match. Lots of the comments just say that the killer in question should just 'pressure the gens' and then point out every small mistake the killer makes and blames that for why they lost the game.

This is very unfair because these survivors expect us to make 0 mistakes the whole game or we lose. Playing killer at the moment is so stressful because you have to be using your time extremely efficiently or all the gens pop instantly. It's not good for the balance of the game when making a few small mistakes will lose you the game as killer, but as survivor you have access to perks like DH that allow you to recover from a mistake so easily.

Most killers can't be in multiple places at once, and the killers that are just M1 killers with no map mobility literally can't do anything at all against a competant team.

The problem is, BHVR won't balance the game around the potential that good survivors have, because most survivors simply are very bad. THey balance the game around rank 10-15 claudettes who hide in bushes. It's a tough situation for them.

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  • ZeusZeus Member Posts: 2,112

    People are so good at pointing out mistakes. And some of them are really dumb.

  • FFabeqFFabeq Member Posts: 530

    Funny because dead hard doesn't work 50% because latency/hitboxes

  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,818

    Some perspective: You are the entire team. Your mistakes are supposed to be 4 times as impactful as a survivors.

    Just food for thought.

  • JukenobiJukenobi Member Posts: 241

    So if most survivors are bad, what's the problem? Why should we balance the game in your favor due to a small minority of players who are better than you? I don't see your logic. This is not an e sport game, I don't understand why people get so butt hurt over it.

    They need to just remove the ranking system all together so this nonsense whining stops and we can just enjoy the game for what it is.

  • Valor188917Valor188917 Member Posts: 649
    edited August 2020

    Because being a good survivor amounts to being able to extend a chase to at least 20 seconds and splitting up on gens. Ofc it's a bit more nuanced but a single survivor making a mistake is not much, it just amounts to less optimal gens and the only hard mistake you can do as survivor is go down near others against snowballers.


    Have you ever played one of those nice games where you could never efficiently slug somebody while survivors weren't dicking around and booked it as soon as you came near them? Good luck on those, even if you end each chase in less than 20 seconds all 5 gens will pop. Picking up Survs and hooking them takes so much damn time, it's the reason why you HAVE to slug against competent teams that focus on gens. Ofc those are rare and most people want to have fun by engaging with the killer.

  • mostlyghostlymostlyghostly Member Posts: 135

    I don't understand, why are perks like IF and STBFL crossed out but Iron Maiden and Mad Grit aren't?

  • MegHasCuteFeetMegHasCuteFeet Member Posts: 369

    bad survivors can hold m1 and win the game, thats how survivor favored this game is

  • RakimSockemRakimSockem Member Posts: 1,264

    Now do the same for survivor perks. I bet you'll find most of them are literal trash OR can be played around as well

  • PigMainClaudettePigMainClaudette Member Posts: 3,842

    BOTH sides are guilty of this on some manner. Killers have unrealistic standards for survivors and dealing with some of the total BS that THEY can do.

    Not saying that either side is right, but yeah. Until a good portion of the community takes a good look at itself, nothing's gonna change.

  • RakimSockemRakimSockem Member Posts: 1,264

    "THey balance the game around rank 10-15 claudettes who hide in bushes"

    Right..... that's why BBQ, Nurses Calling, Whispers, Stridor, Infectious Fright, Hex Undying (shows where you are just by being close to a totem), and all these things exist. To make the game for fair for those pesky 15 Claudettes who hide in bushes.... -_-

    We got ourselves a regular old Sherlock over here, Mystery solved, case closed, check and mate.

  • Dead_by_GadflyDead_by_Gadfly Member Posts: 3,774

    In general I agree with you. But in regards to the tru3 vid that was posted tgese werent small mistakes. He made a few very large mistakes that cost him that game.

  • A_Skinny_LegendA_Skinny_Legend Member Posts: 844

    Yup most survivors are that bad and it's unfortunate that this allows for swf to be such an issue but just imagine how bad it would be for solo survivors if the Killers were buffed for swf.

    They already struggle with killers as they are now.

  • ad19970ad19970 Member Posts: 3,831

    I'm not going to completely disagree that gens go too fast, the devs still has many ways to further improve the health of the game's balance, but I just don't see how it's so bad anymore.

    I do agree that killer mistakes are more punishing than a survivor mistake, and that killer at a high level of play is more stressful and probably also harder than survivor, and at the highest level of play the survivors have a much greater chance of winning. But it's also not nearly as bad as many people make it out to be. It also makes sense that mistakes on the killers side are more punishing than survivors, since there is only one killer but four survivors.

    Saying that the devs are still just balancing the game around rank 10-15s is just not fair. The game's balance has continuously been improving over the past months and years, and most noticeably were the changes to maps that favored killers and made survivor more challenging.

  • xEaxEa Member Posts: 2,973
    edited August 2020

    Gentime is indeed a problem at the start of the game. You are right when you say that you can not force them off gens at the same time if they are smart and split up at the beginning of the round.

    But why do killer still win more often then they loose their games? (assuming that 2K is a draw, 1K loose and 3K+ a win).

    I think because of 2 reasons:

    • The last 1-2 gens are very hard to complete if the killer plays well and the survivors are not a coordinated Team.
    • Survivor are alturistic and feed to much.

    I am not tired to say that the best option to solve at least the genspeed problem is to slower gens at the beginning of the match and make repairspeed faster at the end of the game. Its a simple but effective concept, but killer mains just hear the term "fast" and hate the idea instantly. 😓

  • notstarboardnotstarboard Member Posts: 3,638
    edited August 2020

    I don't think playing killer is more challenging at all. Most of the difficulty is just making good decisions; like, you can be a potato with your inputs and still do well if you just play smart.

    There's this narrative that killers have it so hard, but really, kill rates are high. We don't have numbers newer than 9 months ago, but at that point it was ~65% kill rate at all ranks and ~70% kill rate at red ranks. Since then the changes have generally benefited killer.

    It's a game of seconds on both sides. If survivors are spending the game crouching in the corner while the killer pushes, they're going to lose. If the survivors rush gens while the killer wastes time because they don't know when to drop chase, are pressuring distant corner gens instead of more important ones, etc., the killer is going to lose. The only difference is that the killer has all of the responsibility for their own success. The pressure is lower on the survivor side because 1) your individual performance is just one factor in how well you do and 2) you're only interacting with the killer for a minority of the match, so you have more time to relax.

    For me, losing as killer feels way worse than losing as survivor, probably because I know that the loss was all on me and I just wasn't good enough. As survivor, the result is more of a reflection of your team than of you, so it's easier to not take it personally. When losing feels bad it's easy to get frustrated and/or defensive and complain about game balance on a forum, for example.

  • notstarboardnotstarboard Member Posts: 3,638

    Are the crossed out perks the ones you think are useless or the ones you think are useful? It's hard to tell because there are plenty of useful and useless perks in both buckets.

    Almost no perks contribute nothing / borderline nothing. Some are basically mandatory (e.g. Pop), while others might be generally meh but still make sense for certain killers or in certain builds (e.g. Stridor). There aren't very many on the Monstrous Shrine tier of absolute crap 100% of the time, and any perks in the crap tier would be bad against any rank survivors.

  • notstarboardnotstarboard Member Posts: 3,638

    That's why we need to buff solo queue. Closing the gap with SWF will allow the game to be more balanced overall.

    A good skill-based matchmaking system would also help a lot, but buffing solo queue is still valuable.

  • MrsGhostfaceMrsGhostface Member Posts: 764

    Mostly all the recent updates have been killer sided and you guys still complain lmao

  • NekoGamerXNekoGamerX Member Posts: 3,823

    because survivors can make a lot of mistakes and still win killers make 1 little mistake and they done they lose.

    how that fair?

  • SlickstylesSlickstyles Member Posts: 434

    It's not supposed to be fair. Killer is the harder role and killer mains feel incredibly oppressed because of this. Remember that a single survivor only accounts to 1/4 of the team. If a killer makes a mistake, you're making a mistake for 100% of your team. Your mistakes SHOULD be more debilitating.

    You see a lot of killers complain that gens go by far too quickly while ignoring the snowball potential of their power. I don't know how many games as killer where I had the first 3 gens pop early and I was still able to pull off the dub.

    Remember that the game gets CONSIDERABLY easier once 1 survivor is dead. Survivors basically play unhook/heal simulator if you pinball between the last 3, resulting in your win.

  • NekoGamerXNekoGamerX Member Posts: 3,823

    doesn't always work that way sometime the snowball lands on the killer head,some killer can't handle how the gen go which end with no snowball potential.

  • OldHunterLightOldHunterLight Member Posts: 2,804

    I'm not trying to belittle one side but here is an example of a streamer/youtuber that helped me improve a lot but that also makes mistakes when playing killer.

    Ussylis.

    He is probably the best survivor main imo (the only survivor main that I watch so forgive me if I'm wrong)

    He usually corrects what the killer is doing and saying what they are doing wrong.

    Yet when he plays killer he makes worse mistakes than most players (forgive my english)

    Most killers won't be able to play 100% amazing every time, bhvr doesn't need to balance against the best players but they need to cut some slack for killers, rarely I get a match where I can relax and just play normally but usually a single mistake will cost me meanwhile survivors have a few things up their sleeves to fix their mistakes.

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