Ranking up by stealth or swf is an eye opener because stealth helped me at purple ranks when I started and I stopped and learned I wasnt good as I thought. Then I learned looping properly
Dude you don't even play toxic nor your teammates and hell whenever im with you I keep the toxicity in check unless the killer was toxic. Goes to show how prevalent assumptions are in this community. You don't even teabag or flash click without a reason or to your friends and you guys dont swarm hooks unless we all dont care bout dying like that match at dead dawg against the bad spirit I think
Please try to keep the discussion civil and respectful, no need to attack other users over a different opinion.
Dude your answers are just the best
Thank you for generalising Killers, don't you remember them "Killers only want 4k's"
You should simply ignore people stating obvious stuff.
"I equip PERK/KILLER/ADDON because i think it'll help me win", "Survivors want to escape", "Killers want to kill ALL survivors"
"water makes stuff wet"
100% agreed. Thats one of two infinites they havent looked at yet. The other is on haddonfield.
The thing you have to understand though is survivors are all the same pallet, they all play the same except with a variation of perks.....thats it!
Killers on the other hand all understand that every single one of them plays differently, has different rule sets, strong points, and obvious weaknesses. I think from a psychological perspective, BHVR has unknowingly created a base of players on survivor side who literally can not adjust and play differently depending on the situation. Game in game out, they're used to doing the same things, If you're playing killer as soon as you move your character select to another killer, you're playing an entirely different game because they're all so significantly different.
I'm not sure how BHVR can solve it other than what they've already been doing is outright giving tutorials and full on tells as to who the killer is and what to do. But at the same time, the more information they give, the more horror it takes away from the game, and the more it degrades the state of the game over time and while this is great for solo survivors it inadvertently also buffs SWF groups which the balance team doesn't even touch with a 10 foot pole because they would have to gut so many systems to balance around SWF completely ruining the solo survivor experience to the point where the game is completely unfair.
So if they shift toward SWF and buffing killers the game dies because its brokenly unfair for survivors.
If they shift balance toward solo, the game dies because its brokenly unfair and too much on the side of survivors.
Thats all it boils down to.
And if people can't change their playstyle BHVR needs to adjust things so you have no choice, or risk the game becoming a stagnant loop where everything is the same. And for an A-Symmetrical game thats a terrible hill to die on.
Actually it is. If you have the option to opt out of swf games, queue times would be even worse. Idk if youve done this experimentally, but if youve turned off crossplay, your queue times are at least 30 minutes. Now imagine opting out of swf. With how many people play with their friends, you will be waiting at least an hour for a match. Also, solo is [BAD WORD]. I swf more than I solo now, because for some reason, 9/10 the randoms are potatoes who somehow got to red ranks vs a rank one killer with 3000 hours. If they didn't nerf ruin, this wouldn't even be a problem. Anyways, most people swf to not have to carry three idiots through the game. Thats why I swf. Also I swarm the killer in solo too, I'm the bitch who knows how to use a flashlight, and half the time I will FOLLOW you to flashlight save. Even in solo. Thats just how I am. Adding an opt out would be possibly the worst thing they could do. Queue times for both sides would be [BAD WORD], and everyone would do it, meaning no casual duo can find games. Thats not fair. What would fix swf, at least in high ranks, is to bring back old ruin. It kept good survivors at high ranks, bad ones at low ones, so that people don't be so inclined to play swf to get away from survivors that don't deserve their rank.
I asked you this in your other thread, @azame, but you seem to open these and then abandon them after making just a few replies. I'll just quote myself:
Obviously this applies to your general feelings about killers as well, not just your belief that Deathslinger lacks counters.
Okay ankles ?
How many killers have been nerves in the last 2 years ?
Who weeps for the spirit and Bubba ?
Lol, come on !😙
This is way off topic, but could someone direct me to a survivor guide book or killer guide book?
People generalize everything. Hell, the first comment to your OP was literally generalizing most people to be Killer mains who whine.
That's not generalizing. Refusing to adapt is what survivors have been doing since day one of this game.
Killers did adapt; survivors simply demanded nerfs every time we did. Every time, they got exactly what they asked for.
Survivors started abusing pallets to grief and farm rather than escape chases, killers complained, got told to 'just adapt' and we did. The devs then buffed pallets to make them foolproof so our adaptation to them no longer worked, because survivors complained about killers being able to adapt to this.
Survivors broke all the hooks, making it impossible for a killer to win if the basement was in a corner of the map. Survivors said 'just adapt', so we did. The devs then gave survivors buffs and killers nerfs to stop slugging at the end of the match where survivors die on the floor because of a situation they created. Eventually we got the regenerating hooks, almost a year after they were needed.
Survivors swarmed hooks for rescues, whilst accusing killers of 'camping' when we never had a chance to even leave the damn thing and as no survivors were doing gens, had no reason to. 'Just adapt' they said again, so we combined the perks Unrelenting and Save The Best For Last to speed-up melee cooldown and prevent hook-swarms. The survivors screamed so much about this, how dare we prevent them from getting away with constant in-game trolling, farming and abusiveness, the devs over-nerfed both perks beyond what survivors even asked for. No explanation was ever given for why the devs made the changes they did here.
Even survivors thought what they did was too much, but shrugged their shoulders and said 'good killer will just adapt' and we did: seeing as survivors were refusing to do gens anyway and always swarming the hook, we blocked the space for unhooking with 'face-camping'. They went ballistic; how dare killers keep adapting after we dismiss their complaints every time by telling them to J U S T A D A P T !
The devs buffed them: Trapper had the ability to put traps under hooks taken away(and this was disingenously listed as a bug-fix) and survivors are now able to unhook from multiple angles.
When is it survivors turn to 'just adapt'? Because it seems to me that whenever they encounter the slightest resistance in-game, their meta is to demand changes from the devs and almost the absolute majority of the time, they get what they ask for. -Arec Balrin
survivors tools dont need nerfs as long killers like Spirit, Freddy, Pyriamid head, iri huntress etc exist.
weak killers need buffs and BS designed killers need to balanced first.
the game is full with dead zones.
You've used that word incorrectly yourself. Glass houses and all. Debate is not your strong point, you should stop.
To the OP a post complaining about killers generalizing all survivors is just a post doing the same to killers. We all need to stop with the constant them and us rhetoric it serves no purpose other than to divide the community and add to forum salt and toxicity.
Spoken like a no good neutral. Pick a side weirdo. /s
Your sentences kind of contradict each other, and you need to elaborate more. What are you even talking about?
When it comes to killers I can acknowledge things that are straight up wrong but this is how I feel. Some killers just dont like survivors and insult them. You can say this forum isnt killer biased but it is. Which is fine having alot of killer mains wouldnt be a problem when alot of them just hate on survivors. I dont open these and abandon them I just went to sleep because it was late at night. No all dbd social media is populated by mostly people who favor killer.
No no no komodo you forgot I hate on killer mains and definitely dont want to see the side get their necessary buffs
Yes but the playstyle change from trapper to spirit in terms of chase isnt different. Every killer uses sound to locate survivors its one of the best tools if it works. As spirit you learn to use your ears often. If you have a good headset and stridor it's easy hits
Nothing wrong with playing a killer you enjoy play whoever's you want but when your defense is looping and its rendered pretty useless it becomes quite predictable and boring.
Huh if swf isnt keeping the game alive why do you think they havent added an opt out button? This was answered already you wonder why it hasnt been added despite the fact it aint keeping the game alive. You hate swf because it's a challenge not all swfs are tournament swfs you are exaggerating heavily. You want easy kills it's ok to admit it. Sure good survivors play solo but the amount of bad outweighs them so you are almost always at a disadvantage.
If one goes down we dont swarm the killer to blind or body block unless there is a reason to. And besides what's wrong with that it's called keeping our team alive didnt know that's "swf abuse" or whatever you call it.
Never specified which side was generalising just an assumption you made.
I've been clear with what I have to say if you cant understand I cant help you.
yea think more that play both sides like me.
How many posts on here are about DS, unbreakable, gen speed, stealth players, a pre-game EGC, swf, etc?
nah this is pretty true, actually id lower the number to like 5% of survivors are experienced enough to where i would consider good
Aren't you the one who was pushing a false made-up narrative and pulling things out of your ass to try and prove a point on my post? Yeah your opinion doesn't matter to me and you're the last person who should be talking about being bad at debates.
No. Like I said that's just not true. That's a salt fueled bias. If anything, I can say the same for killers. Only 5% of killers who play are actually good, the other 95% sucks. But I'm not going to because like you, I don't have any evidence to back up that statement. Like you, I just pulled that statement out of my ass.
Point taken, It was an assumption I made given the title.
That said you are always gonna get stupid responses to any topic posted, such as "you just want easy wins" etc etc, and yeah it should be called out.
But its better to ignore that crap and respond to the relevant posts about suggested counter play (given the spirit example you gave), I sometimes feel people don't want to discuss the topic they posted, they are looking for an echo chamber for people to just agree with them.
Ahh yeah im sorry I forgot you entitled surv