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The 2nd game in BOTB tourney shows how unbalanced DBD is at top-level play
mostlyghostly
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First of all, I'm gonna ignore the games that were played by otz and ayrun, because the survivors there were clearly not good enough for tournament play. However, the first 2 games, the second in particular, show how unbalanced this game is.
In this game, the end result is a 2k/2 escape. The thing is, the killer was Volga playing as nurse. So immediately we already have a very good player playing the best killer in the game and they can't even manage a 4k against these survivors. Also, the survivors even 3 genned themselves and still managed to get 2 escapes.
The nurse also had to camp and tunnel to even get their 2 kills and managed to get lucky with a 3-gen.
This is why tournaments can NEVER be killer vs survivor and have to be teams of killers and survivors, like in hexy's tournament
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Are we now seriously applying a Tournament game to the standard DBD game?
The truth of the matter is that no matter how good a killer is, if the survivors spread out properly and focus gens there isn't much the killer can do. '''THAT SAID''' very few people outside of tourneys play this way as its incredibly dull for both sides. You do get SWF sweat squads that play this way on occasion but they make up maybe 2% of actual survivors. And I mean proper sweat squads. Let teammates die to focus gens sweat squads. No game should ever balance around the top 5% of players.
Dead By Daylight is not a competitive E-Sport. Stop treating it like one.
Did you read the title? It says 'AT TOP LEVEL PLAY'
It says 'AT TOP LEVEL PLAY' in the title
Top Level play is 1% of all games played on DBD. Around something like that.
If you are talking about tournaments - tournaments can be a fun thing, but should not be taken seriously since DBD is a party game.
Well if there are tournaments with a $15.000 prize pool being made then I am going to treat it like one
Well, unfortuantely they are taken seriously and it's not my choice to make that decison as a $15.000 prize pool tourney exists. And your point about it being 1% is irrelavant. Am I not allowed to talk about the 1%?
That's not the point. The game wasn't created to be an E-sport, and it is to randomly generated to be one.
You can. But ignoring the other 99% of the game does not make sense at all.
Of course you can pick that one game that proves your point, but again - does not really make sense.
Balancing around the Top 1% would not work. Or would you also be fine to balance around the Top 1% Killers? Because balancing around Top 1% Survivors but Rank 10 Killers (yes, I have seen this on this forum) is not really a good idea.
I don't care what the game was created to be. If people are treating it like an e-sport, and there is sufficient funding for high level tournaments, then I'm going to pay attention to that side of the game. A lot of games weren't made to be e-sports, but than become e-sports because people enjoyed them enough.
CS:GO, LOL, DOTA. None of these were created to be an esport, and on the flipside most games created to be esports tend to fail as esports as well as games.
I'm not ignoring the 99% of games, just pointing out how the 1% is unbalanced for tournament play. And yes, there is interest in this game becoming an e-sport, otherwise there wouldn't be $15.000 raised for a prize pool. I don't have a solution for the balance, I'm just pointing out how the game isn't balanced
This game needs an absolutely signifcant overhaul at a base level to be even remotely e-sports viable. DbD as an esport is laughable.
The game isn’t balanced because this one match ended in 2 kills/2 escapes which is pretty much the balance the devs said they would aim for? And that is already the cherry picked game out of the tournament, other matches should be ignored because you say so?
"This is top level play"
"but we ignore the games where the killer dominated, because in that case, the survivors were just bad"
Seriously?
The tournament actually showed that the game is much more ballenced then most think. I dont have a score but it is probably not far away from 50/50 KD throught the whole tournament.
Oh and your 2nd game reverence. I played against that team who drawed against the Nurse and let me tell you they are freakin insanly good. This was supposed to be a hard fight and in the end the survivors got a bit lucky and could escape with 2 people.
I ignored the other games because the survivors weren't playing at top level. My point does not include survivors who aren't playing at the top level
I completely agree. And yet there are $15.000 tournaments being played as we speak
So you are saying Nurse should always get a 4k? 2 kills 2 escapes IS balanced.
Pointless tournaments, Rng would decide, not skill.
DbD is not even meant to be a tournament/e-sports viable game, this is kind of a mess.
And yeaah... this is not a good choice to make examples of balance, you can do way better than picking the most rare kind of games, no one will ever experience this, or will rarely do so.
while i dont think dbd can ever be a good tourmaent due to the rng nature of the game i take issue how people are dismissing the 1% and saying we cant balance the game around the 1% in fact you can alot of games are balanced around the top players and the 1% because the top players shows more of the balancing issue then anyone else.
take overwatch for example and the introduction to Brigg she literially changed the meta to the the infamous GOAT meta ( 3 tanks and 3 support) before they had to nerf her and introduced the 222 system to try and balance the game so DPS can be used. Also at the current moment they are in the process of balancing Moria as she is heading to the same way as brig was. If it wasnt for the top players players who know how to fully utlise their powers we would never see any balance changes as mid or lower level players wouldnt showcase the balancing issue that those characters cause.
That is how in my opipion balancing should be done balance the top so it trickles down to the bottom then you get a even playing field not balance it around mid level play that goes for any pvp game regardless of competitve or not if it has a ranking system/ mmr, i strongly believe you balance the top end so it trickles down to the bottom to create a fair field for both sides
Who are you to judge they were not playing top level? Maybe the Nurse in the 2nd game played trash too? Silly argument.
Also: Maybe the killer in those games with the 4Ks were just really good and showed that it is possible to destroy even the best when playing really well?
And finally, what is your point about the 2nd game? That if a strong killer is facing a strong team, it can be a close game?
Calm down there.
Nurse nerf was argued to be done because god nurse does exist a nurse that you can literally do nothing against cause she will always be right yadayada. How many % of nurse do you think were god nurses at that point? :>
It would be a first, in the history of dbd, survivors are being balanced around top play too.
Well, I think it's quite obvious in the games otzdarva and ayrun played that the survivors were not playing optimally. When I have time, I'll go through the VOD and point out all the mistakes
yes but those arent official are they?
I am saying that the game is not balanced because the only way a killer can stand a chance at a top level is if the play nurse and camp/tunnel and get a 3 gen along with 3 gen slowdown/stall perks. I think there should be more killers viable
I don’t see a link to the tournament results anywhere, what specifically were the game by game results for all the games? Specifically in order to actually look at averages:
viable killers are normally Spirit, Nurse, PH, Freddy, Doctor, Oni, Huntress and Hillbilly but yeah the current meta for killers in red ranks and top plays are gen slowdown perks even then its not enough
Do that. Meanwhile;
What is your point about the 2nd game? That if a strong killer is facing a strong team, it can be a close game?
You refuse to answer the question why you open this thread in the first place. You dont have an answer?
Pretty much and with some games that mainly balance around high level play, but then make exceptions i.e. Riot games buffing Irelia who was over performing at high level play but not seen much in low level play, it causes malcontent among a large amount if the player base. Which is why I'm so surprised people are so apprehensive to balancing in that way here.