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The 2nd game in BOTB tourney shows how unbalanced DBD is at top-level play



  • mostlyghostlymostlyghostly Member Posts: 135

    well, if you are talking at competitive level play, then you can knock out doctor,oni,huntress and hillbilly from that list

  • GeordieKillerGeordieKiller Member Posts: 401

    huntress, oni and hillbilly i would agree personally i think doc would do very well in competitve as he shuts down loops, able to passively stop survivors on gens once they hit madness 3 and is able to find survivors the fastest espeically if you combine it with whispers the only issue with him would be mobility around the map so he would be more map indepedent but wouldnt be a bad choice for comp

  • bangbisonbangbison Member Posts: 104

    At 1% anything can happen. It can please you or annoy you. You never know 100%.

  • ZtarShotZtarShot Member Posts: 832

    The survivors are at "TOP LEVEL PLAY" so the games you skidded off with It's and Ayrun were also "TOP LEVEL PLAY" smh

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 5,081

    The game will never be balanced, for either side. You don’t need a monetized tournament to show that.

    There are instances within the game that are either on one side or the other. Maps being one of them.

    Also, imagine thinking some of these people are at “top level”... 🙄

  • JukenobiJukenobi Member Posts: 279

    Counter strike has always been a competitive game, as well as LOL, and DOTA what are you on about? Dead by Daylight is not a competitive E-Sport game, and it never will be. An equal playing field is required for both sides, not luck, or RNG.

  • YaiPaYaiPa Member Posts: 1,929

    actually the saloon nurse game showed how tunneling is sometimes necessary to handle certain games: taking out fast the Zarina, eating the ds was essential to get 2k and multiple hooks

  • Devil_hit11Devil_hit11 Member Posts: 1,298
    edited September 2020

    why wouldn't you? Tournaments are literally just playing the game and the results speak for themselves. There are few problems though to say its perfect representation. one is that there are some rules that slightly distorted real game from tournament game. For example, Survivors are only allowed to have 1 unique item, only yellow items and your only allowed 2 of same perks on each team for survivor. Also your not allowed to same killer for all games. I feel like killer players will reserve Spirit for the best teams because they know survivors can not pick more than 2 iron wills. I heard Oni got picked and all 4 survivors escaped. Overrated killer. Also notice how there is no billy like some people believe. I wonder if anyone will dare pick clown or some other trash killer and try to pull an upset in like finals or semifinals, that would be super hilarious. then again, DBD is more fun to play than watch so I'd never ever watch it. just skimmed through it.

  • OllieHellhunterOllieHellhunter Member Posts: 669

    They've always been competitive yes, however dbd is also competitive, hell even fall guys is competitive. Being competitive does not equal esports, those games were not designed to be esports they were designed to be enjoyable games and the esports came later. That's what I'm on about.

    When did I claim Dead by daylight was an esport or I even wanted it to be?

    Also luck and Rng should be minimal in esports yes however it still exists, take the current season of League of legends for example, its rng which dragon type will affect the map, which can benefit or hinder some team compositions.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 11,428

    I would be 100% in favor of balancing around the top 1% of Killers and Survivors.

  • BingbongbongBingbongbong Member Posts: 202

    Wasn't there a bunch of restrictions on perks and add ons, items, survivors, maps and killers?

    I understand no ultra rares, keys and moris since those change the game drastically but I don't think this tournament in any way could prove if the game is balanced or not since those games don't really represent actual games with those many restrictions.

  • mostlyghostlymostlyghostly Member Posts: 135

    The restrictions make the game more balanced, removing perks like OoO. And even so, games are unbalanced

  • xenofon13xenofon13 Member Posts: 1,241
    edited September 2020

    Dowsey doing a good job but he really needs to stop saying "Best to the best", 'Top, highest level gameplay"

    This tournament is a boosted ######### show.

    Scummy plays and builds.

    Camping and tunneling at it's finest.

    EDIT: I don't care about the 15k.

    I am a viewer, and this tournament is garbage atm.

  • thelittlemonstersthelittlemonsters Member Posts: 98
    edited September 2020

    I’m only going to discuss the 2k/2e portion of your post.

    What you don’t seem to realize is that is exactly what the devs are aiming for. Volga had to tunnel and camp to do it? I take it when the new MMR came out you were one of the many people it didn’t work for.

    It worked for me pretty consistently after a couple of games for a few days before it broke. I’ve also seen games where it worked and that is exactly how it goes. Otzdarva posted two matches on YouTube where the new MMR functioned for him. One was a Legion match and it went exactly like that.

    For a killer to win they generally need to be able to kill a survivor with two or three generators left. The majority of those games didn’t have a kill until no gens were left, but several people were on death hook. In the games I played and the games I watched where it seemed to be working fine -going off how everyone played, not their ranks- that was the status quo.

    So, your argument that it wasn’t balanced doesn’t really mean anything because you picked the match that is a perfect example of what the developers define as balance. Hell, the game looked just like a working new MMR game.

    If you didn’t like that then you should bring it up as an argument against the new MMR that’s coming back.

    It’s high stress and any small mistake can turn the game into a loss or a win.

  • AChaoticKillerAChaoticKiller Member Posts: 3,104
    edited September 2020

    I have gotten a few invitations to torments and always decline

    whoever thinks this game is suited for competitive play obviously doesn't understand how unbalanced the game is in its current state. The only reason you don't notice it often is because it's uncommon to see survivors playing the game to their best using the best perks and play style. It's to the point where you have to completely rely on the survivors messing up to win/ get more than 1 or 2 kills.

    is this game fun and playable against mediocre survivors who are not taking the game as seriously as a E Sports event, absolutely in fact its the only reason being killer is bearable in high ranks. Does this mean dbd is in a good balance state hell no, the devs can add new mechanics such as something to slow the beginning of a game that is NOT a perk and the game would immediately become more balanced for high level play. However they take forever to do anything that big so i doubt this game will be balanced in this year or the next.

  • sad_killer_mainsad_killer_main Member Posts: 785

    Well, I really don't need to watch tournaments to know one truth about dbd:

    The lower the skill of all players, the higher the chances for the killer to "win".

    The higher the skill, the higher the chances for survivors to escape.

    As simple as that.

  • AChaoticKillerAChaoticKiller Member Posts: 3,104

    Even the meta killers can't beat a very good swf doing and using everything to win. the only one who has a chance is nurse and maybe spirit everyone else can be looped or have enough time wasted in a chase that they end up losing to gen rushing. but then we get nerf this killer and that one because i can't last more than 40 seconds in a chase which tbh is how it should be, you should rarely if at all win a 1v1 against the killer because that much time wasted with no benefit spells game over for the killer.

  • MeatBycicleMeatBycicle Member Posts: 754

    2 kill 2 escape isnt balanced. Those two survivors view that as a win for themselves, not a draw. The killer doesn't view that as a draw its a loss. 2 kill 2 escape only benefits survivors.

  • BaldursGate2BaldursGate2 Member Posts: 994

    For you maybe. Some people are just competetive and want to win regardles of what it is.

  • Marc_go_soloMarc_go_solo Member Posts: 2,633

    Does this discussion topic take into account the skill of the survivors though? This seems focused on a Nurse being an absolute demon of a Killer that should defeat survivors all the time, rather than if this scenario was played out multiple times and how a slight change of play could drastically alter the round.

    That round could be replayed a hundred times, with each offering a different result, either in terms of survival, performance or BP earnt. One round alone doesn't illustrate anything other than on this occasion an outcome was determined on how the flow of this round went.

  • mostlyghostlymostlyghostly Member Posts: 135

    No, my argument is that in order to get a 2k/2e the killer needs to play nurse/spirit/PH and play dirty (tunnel/camp) I'm not saying that these things should not be allowed, it just shows that the killer needs to meet very specific requirements in order to stand a chance

  • mostlyghostlymostlyghostly Member Posts: 135

    my argument is that in order to get a 2k/2e the killer needs to play nurse/spirit/PH and play dirty (tunnel/camp) I'm not saying that these things should not be allowed, it just shows that the killer needs to meet very specific requirements in order to stand a chance

  • SonzaishinaiSonzaishinai Member Posts: 5,932

    It's always funny how when you have killers that do well people always say ignore those matches the survivors weren't good

    Don't they realise when a killer plays well he makes the survivors look bad

    Not going to make much comment on how balanced the game is or not on high levels but that's just a pattern that I'm noticing

    Also nurse is not the best killer in the game. I really wish that myth could be busted. With all her bugs and wankyness she's bottom A at best.

    Just because in theory a perfect nurse can never lose doesn't make it that way in a real game

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