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Is DS really a anti-tunnel perk?

Antares_2332Antares_2332 Member Posts: 909


Is DS really a anti-tunnel perk? 66 votes

Yes
31%
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No
68%
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  • PawcelotPawcelot Member Posts: 802
    Yes

    Its supposed to be but its often used offensively.. which isn't what the perk was made for.

  • Boosted_DwightBoosted_Dwight Member, Trusted Posts: 2,858
    No

    No, the devs never stated the perk was anti tunnel perk to begin with. This was an idea created by the community. I do agree it should only be an anti tunnel perk instead of 60 seconds of immunity though.


  • CalamityJaneCalamityJane Member Posts: 487
    edited September 14
    No

    Yeah well that post also says "The trade-off for using Decisive Strike comes at the risk of suddenly becoming the Killer’s latest obsession." where in 99% of cases being the obsession is a massive benefit to survivors.

    Also, the direct quotes from Q&As commented under that:

    "Horvath: We decided to put a timer on Decisive Strike as one of the solutions to Decisive Strike being used too often, we tried 2 minutes internally and found that players were able to use DS a long time after being unhooked, where it no longer serves the purpose to protect you from being tunneled/ farmed"

    So tell me again how the devs never said its purpose was to protect you from being tunneled? And note how they already lowered the duration from internal testing showing the issue people still complain about now.

  • Awkward_FiendAwkward_Fiend Member Posts: 461
    Yes

    Even though Peanits said it wasn't an anti-tunnel perk, that's functionally how it acts. The condition they slapped on it only works if you're tunneled or if you abuse the 60 second immunity it gives you.

  • ScaryCatScaryCat Member Posts: 44
    Yes

    Not officialy, but it acts as if it was. So yes and no.

  • NekoGamerXNekoGamerX Member Posts: 3,276
    edited September 14
    No

    survivors abuse it too much so no it not.

  • Hex_LlamaHex_Llama Member Posts: 147
    Yes

    I think it works and makes sense as an anti-tunneling perk, but, because there are some situations where tunneling is fair, it has the potential to feel like it's cheating you out of a hook you earned.

  • MrPenguinMrPenguin Member Posts: 537
    edited September 17
    Yes

    @Boosted_Dwight

    That's not what "purely" means, it is an anti-tunnel perk, that's just not all it is. See Below.

    @Awkward_Fiend

    That's not what he said. Not "purely" does not mean not at all, just not 100%. See below.

    @ScaryCat

    Yes official it is, its just not "purely" one. See below, ofiicial post says otherwise.

    In their decisive strike redesign they stated "players were able to use DS a long time after being unhooked, where it no longer serves the purpose to protect you from being tunneled/ farmed"

    It is clearly meant to stop tunneling, that's just not "purely" all its for, just 95% or something. However we don't know what these other supposed uses are. In any case, it's unacceptable in its current form. But anti-tunnel its by fair its main function.

  • MrPenguinMrPenguin Member Posts: 537
    Yes

    I answered yes because that's what its main purpose is. If you mean in practice then no, DS is abused to do much more than stop tunneling, and having no deactivation requirement with how easy it is to activate punished killers for just doing well. So, depends on what you're asking.

  • Seiko300Seiko300 Member Posts: 1,354
    edited September 18
    Yes

    It was clearly intended to be an anti-tunnel perk there is absolutely no arguing this fact, when the stipulation for the perk to be active is a short window After you've been unhooked that clearly is serving a specific purpose one that simply cannot be misconstrued.

    The notion that it's "not an anti-tunnel perk" is absolutely absurd and is only a recent idea that came up purely from the survivor side of the community to prevent it from being reworked with added restrictions (like de-activating when repairing a generator, unhooking another survivor, cleansing a totem, opening a door, entering a locker, etc.).


    The post from Peanits has obviously also been misinterpreted, see Scott Jund's response to this popular argument:

    "For the most part he is usually pretty sensible, and what he was referring to I think was the original incarnation of Decisive Strike, which as some of you guys might know had no prerequisite. If you get downed you could just get off for free, it was ridiculous... When they made the change however, that it only worked immediately after being unhooked then it became an anti-tunnel perk and you can't really argue with that that's obviously why they changed that there is no reason they would have the prerequisite of having to be on a hook recently if they didn't intend it to be an anti-tunnel perk."


    So many amazing and great ideas for Decisive Strike have come up from the community that preserve the strength and integrity of how the perk operates to prevent people from being tunneled but they all HINGE on the idea that Decisive Strike is an anti-tunneling perk to begin with. Which is obviously why people don't want to say out loud it's an anti-tunnel perk even though on a frequent if not near-constant basis "not being tunneled" is among the top reasons cited to use Decisive Strike. Which, how the hell can you use a perk to "not be tunneled" but then not call it an anti-tunneling perk, that's an absolutely ludicrous suggestion and obviously a contradiction within survivor rhetoric.

    Even IF someone somehow were able to prove Decisive Strike isn't an anti-tunnel perk, the question can real quickly, easily, and effortlessly be changed to "Should Decisive Strike become an anti-tunnel perk?" and the answer to that is an obvious and resoundingYES. Decisive Strike is one of the few universally complained about and controversial perks ever since it's release, for four years this perk has singlehandedly inspired so much outcry it is incredible that certain vocal individuals have managed to keep a rework from happening. But not for long, especially recently as this conversation and this question is repeated more and more frequently, the pressure is building and the dam is about to break.

  • jayrujayru Member Posts: 54
    No

    People abuse this perk too often, It's gunna get a big fat nerf eventually

  • musefanmusefan Member Posts: 265
    Yes

    The problem with DS isnt the 60 seconds. Its the fact that if the killer doesnt tunnel it out the way early, then DS will cause pain in the end game.

    If it was to change so it only triggers when there is at least 1 generator remaining, then I think it would be more suited as anti-tunneling.

  • JawsIsTheNextKillerJawsIsTheNextKiller Member Posts: 2,017
    No

    No it's the opposite, it is a "chase me" perk. You equip it and encourage the killers to tunnel you to waste their time.

    What it may or may not have been originally designed for is irrelevant. Even more so now that it has changed from its original inception.

  • MrPenguinMrPenguin Member Posts: 537
    Yes

    These results are going to be so skewed lol, there's people saying yes and no to 2 different questions: Is DS intended to be anti-tunnel? Is DS functionally anti-tunnel?

  • AspektAspekt Member Posts: 16

    oh so how you guys abuse barbecue and chili then once a game. or the fact that you guys know you can just leave us in the ground play somebody else and come right back interesting ...

  • Antares_2332Antares_2332 Member Posts: 909

    If BBQ is a problem for you, then you are a bad player.

    Also, what does BBQ have to do with this thread?

  • AspektAspekt Member Posts: 16

    See here's the thing right DS right you hook me walk away right. Hook somebody else then you get barbecue you can go right back to me right now by now like 30 seconds has past so now you're counting from 30 over top of my body then you hook me. It's literally how killers counter it.Or leave on ground method.Even though I don't run it. So back to what you said I'm bad because I don't like barbecue but you're not bad because decisive strike is Op to you right ?A little hypocritical..

  • Antares_2332Antares_2332 Member Posts: 909

    30 seconds? really?

    I would suggest that you learn to last longer in chases. By the way, nobody forces you to use DS.

    And when I said that DS is OP? lol

  • AspektAspekt Member Posts: 16

    See your not listening right. Its called a scenario right .Every person isn't playing with survive with friends and isn't running self-care right.My whole thing was you said survivors abuse it you can't really abuse something that's once a game. Now we got if we got it every time we got hooked that's different.Just stabbing you after every hook that's abusing.

    You keep saying I need to last longer or I need to get good but that can be said the same way you're saying decisive strike is being abused when you can only use it once and you can counter it multiple ways so in other words who really needs a good good?

  • SlashstreetboySlashstreetboy Member Posts: 1,037
    No

    It isn´t. It´s just DS. No need to force a label onto it.

  • Antares_2332Antares_2332 Member Posts: 909

    Survivors must make a lot of mistakes for a scenario like that to happen.

    How can I not think you are a bad player when you just said that "BBQ is an abuse"?

    Next

  • AspektAspekt Member Posts: 16

    Guy you're still not listening right. It's another cop out that you guys have just like noed how are you able to see where everybody is at just by hooking somebody?How are you able to one shot everybody because we whooped your ass fast as hell. I'm supposed to get off the Jenn I'm on and jump in a locker that they now have scattered across the map because you guys probably complained about that too. Talking about I only use barbecue for blood points yeah right. What's funny is I would probably Loop the shiz out of you teabag you get reported and then once they see what I was running they probably would just laugh at you because I wasn't even have anything meta.Lmao hold that Empathy

  • AspektAspekt Member Posts: 16

    And just so you can understand since you can't keep up abuse is when you could use something more once you can use barbecue more than one all game. Your whining about something that gives us a Survivor four steps away from the Killer do to them tunneling LOL . Desperation setting in with those gens popping

  • Antares_2332Antares_2332 Member Posts: 909
  • NekoGamerXNekoGamerX Member Posts: 3,276
    No

    how is barbecue and chili abuse? it so easily countered don't understand what you are saying

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