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So I played killer for a full day instead of Survivor ... my eyes are open wide now.



  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    I think you are very fortunate, and I hope more people have your experience. I started recording every game I play so I would have the required video evidence to report the inappropriate behavior. I'm working on a compilation video for Youtube which I expect to post in the near future. I have no lack of material, and none of it is mild. The video will show hackers, lag spikes, ethnic slurs, sexist comments, death threats, people wishing my friends, family, pets, or myself death or suffering, and enough Salt to makes a lifetime of beef jerky. The hard part of putting this compilation together is the sheer bulk of material I have (and get more all the time). What makes this particularly telling is I only started recording everything a month ago. So if your personal experience is different, consider yourself lucky, blessed. But I wouldn't suggest assuming people are being "oversensitive" when they don't like hearing things like, "I'm going to poison your cats."

  • ALostPuppyALostPuppy Member Posts: 3,398

    Your example is actual toxicity, I wouldn't want anyone to be subject to those kinds of messages. The only things I'm referring to when people are being oversensitive is what survivors can do in-game, which isn't "toxic" in the slightest. It could be considered annoying, but to see so many posts of people complaining that a survivor pressed mouse2 or control at them a few times is so pathetic at this point.

  • KoloniteKolonite Member Posts: 1,346

    You're bad at killer because you're letting a model moving up and down affect you to the point where you camp someone until they're dead. If you want to win you need to pressure gens. Not stand in front of a hook because you got your fefes hurt. It's a better feeling to actually beat the teabaggers than it is to just camp one and throw the match. This game somehow has the softest and most toxic fanbase.

  • NursesBootieNursesBootie Member Posts: 2,159

    Or just play nice when you feel like it. And like a piece of tortilla if you like it.

  • KoloniteKolonite Member Posts: 1,346

    This post is so biased. You record and report players for teabagging, but you're cool with killers literally face camping you and actually tunneling you off hook and using a mori. I find it much more enjoyable to have a bit of a teabag session with a survivor than I would to get face camped and hit with a mori off hook.

  • xenotimebongxenotimebong Member Posts: 2,803

    Why do people get so enraged by survivors teabagging? I’ll never understand it.

    Teabag me all you want, it’s an action that does absolutely nothing and in many cases actually harms your ability to escape. It’s no different from killers nodding or shaking their head at you after downing you, it’s such a non-issue that it’s nothing but petty to complain about it. Slugging the entire team at once because they tried to save a teammate that teabagged you is extremely pathetic.

  • BioXBioX Member Posts: 1,378

    Shaka, when the walls fell

  • jayrujayru Member Posts: 64

    Trying to satisfy survivors to avoid toxic behavior is like saying "well my bf hurt me, but it was my fault because I wouldn't shut up".

    No matter what you do you're gonna get toxic survivors so don't try to cater to them BUT.....

    For me personally whenever there is a match where the survivors are good players and don't resort to trying to make me mad as a strategy, I'm more prone to being more lenient if they aren't doing great

  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    There are in-game tactics and strategies, and there is out-of-game disrespect. But no, you are incorrect, I do NOT report people for Tea-bagging. While obnoxious, that is probably the mildest form of bad sportsmanship in the game. Tea-bagging happens in the match, and I can answer that inside the match. I report hacks, using lag to cheat, ethnic/sexist/etc. slurs, threats, and the weird stuff like telling me that they hope I (or pets, friends, family, etc.) get cancer. I report the things clearly listed in the in game reporting system.

    Camping (including face camping), tunneling, slugging, and the Mori are tactics and strategies. Why wouldn't I be "cool" with them. Sure it sucks to have it happen, but I get far more irritated by other Survivors who farm me, show up doing nothing while I'm buying them time on the hook, or those weirdos who actively work with the Killer. In short, the Killer is simply doing their job and playing the game. If I have a problem with that, it isn't the Killer I could be upset with but the game itself.

  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    Taking down the entire team is the Killer's job. It cannot, by definition, be pathetic. If the entire team of Survivors run up to get slugged, why wouldn't the Killer do it? Some Killers are even designed by their Power and Perks to be slugging specialists. Don't blame the Killer for doing their job. If you have someone on your team being a bad sport and tea-bagging, why are you all so gung-ho to give up a 4K for that person? I mean, I'm going to try and rescue another Survivor, but if everyone get slugged, it either means EVERYONE went in at once (you chose this tactic and the risk assessment was yours to make), or one person went and got slugged, the team saw it and still sent another, and then another. At what point does one take responsibility for their own bad judgement?

  • KoloniteKolonite Member Posts: 1,346

    I never said they weren't strategies. I main killer... I know you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. I said it's biased to not care when that's happening to you, but to get butthurt when you see a model move up and down or hear a flashlight click a few times. Both sides are full of toxic douches, but you don't see many douche killers in high ranks. Those killers derank on purpose to bully low rank survivors. Obviously report cheaters and people calling you slurs and giving death threats. Don't say 9/10 killers aren't toxic because the only reason they're saying "gg" when they lose is because if they don't they're gonna have 4 people talk ######### to them after they already took an L lol

  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    But most Killers, by my standards, are NOT toxic. That nine out of ten being non-toxic is actually my experience. Remember, the only thing I require of a player to be considered a good sport is:

    1. Don't cheat, either with hacks or lag.
    2. Don't disconnect; if you start a game, finish it.
    3. Be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.

    I've yet to run into a Killer hacking or using lag, or if I did it was subtle enough that I didn't catch it. Only once a great while perhaps one in twenty games or so, do I have a Killer disconnect. And I've never had a Killer go GG EZ or tell me to uninstall, or any of that stuff. Killers are either silent or just give me a GG at the end. They will actually be friendly and give more if a Survivor includes them. So that nine out of ten Killers are great, is probably even underestimating how nice they are if I was really to do the math.

    Survivors (and remember I play one too) well... there are MORE of them and I see cheats all the time, disconnects every other game, and an utter lack of humility and graciousness far too regularly. I'm not trying to be biased; I wish this wasn't true. Sadly, it is.

  • KoloniteKolonite Member Posts: 1,346

    Personal experience isn't a good measure. Survivors encounter survivors 3x more than they do killers and killers mains don't encounter any killers. Your personal experience doesn't mean much when it comes to which side is more toxic with numbers skewed that much. Of course to the average player it'll seem like there are far more meanie survivors than killers when it's a 4-1 ratio. Anecdotal evidence is terrible on it's own. It's even worse with DBD. You're experience is that killers are nicer and don't hack as much because there are far less killers and you see even fewer compared to survivors.

    I don't really care much about toxicity. I think it's kinda funny if survivors are mad enough to be toxic after the game. If I used my own experience of course I'd think survivors are more toxic, but I almost never play survivor so I don't even see killers. When I do play survivor for challenges I see plenty of toxic killers.

  • xenotimebongxenotimebong Member Posts: 2,803

    Quote from the OP: “I left them all dying on the ground” - because one guy teabagged and they tried to save him from the hook.

    That’s what I’m calling pathetic, not the fact that they slugged people. Slugging is a normal part of killer gameplay. Leaving four people to bleed out for 4 minutes because someone teabagged you just signals a fragile ego.

  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    Personal experience is all we have to go by, and I make every post with the caveat that these are my experiences. The only bad experience I've had with a Killer was Ghostface who slugged me as the ONLY Survivor left and made me watch him teabag me for 3+ minutes while I bled out. That one really got under my skin because what kind of mental defective does that? But beyond that, I simply have nothing involving Killers that rises to the point of being the so-called toxic.

    You say you see plenty of them. What are YOU defining as toxic so we have some context. I told you my standards.

  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    Sure, letting them all bleed out is juvenile and bad sportsmanship. It is also stupid as it isn't worth near as many points. But I thought you were talking about slugging in a BROADER context, not that specific example. I see people getting on the case of Killers all the time for using Slugging as a strategy to win, not irritate. So I'll cede that I missed the context you were inferring and I should have caught it. Yeah, if a Killer did that to me, I would certainly report it. I have, in fact, reported a similar incident where I was forced to watch a Ghostface teabag me while I bled out. But in general, Killers who behave this way are really RARE. When they come up, they sure as heck get reported.

  • KoloniteKolonite Member Posts: 1,346

    Toxicity is the use of slurs, insults, and death threats in post game chat. I honestly feel there's very few things that can be done in the game that's genuinely toxic. I don't think it's particularly toxic to not be a humble winner or loser. Teabagging, BMing, clicking, and all that is only toxic and aggravating if you let it be. They're doing it to get in your head.

  • konchokkonchok Member Posts: 1,500

    I'd say the opposite for me. Playing survivor has turned me into a ruthless killer. Here's the thing, when I play survivor I don't expect the killer to handicap themselves. I expect that if they feel the best play is to camp or tunnel that's how they'll play and I do my best to counter those strategies when they occur. When I play killer, I'll tunnel, slug, camp, etc if I feel like that's the best play. That being said, tunneling is rarely the best play. That just leaves 3 merry survivors working gens. The same goes with camping. However, if you're on death hook and I've eaten your DS you can bet your bottom dollar that I'll probably tunnel you out to turn the game into a 3 vs 1. It's not me being toxic, if I want to win the match I need to kill all survivors.

  • 28_stabs28_stabs Member Posts: 1,474

    oh no

    brown rank survivors are so nasty :^)

  • xenotimebongxenotimebong Member Posts: 2,803

    Nah it’s fine, I could have been more clear with my wording so I can see why you read it as a complaint about slugging. I slug pretty much every killer game I play so I have no problem with it as a gameplay mechanic, lol. If people don’t want to be slugged, there are many ways to avoid or counter it.

  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    Well I'm a Rank 4 Killer now (slide back to 5 and 6 often and then fight my way back down) and I would LOVE to report that potent Ranked Survivors have fewer creeps, but sadly that isn't the case. What does happen is you get a LOT more proactive, good sport Survivors who talk and give you a GG to make the jerks less irksome.

    So it works like this.... I get the same 40-50% behaving badly, but the percentage of really good post game chatter goes up from 10-20% to about 40-50%. You get more good, proactive folks, but no fewer human garbage. :) Sadly, I see about the same number of hacks and lag spikes. That seems a constant at all levels.

  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    I would agree with this in general, as I think someone who behaves like hot garbage in one role, would certainly not become a saint in the other. However, judging by my own experience, most people must not play both in equal measure as I simply don't see the kind of horrors from Killers that I do from Survivors. I play both roles equal, and I accept that how I'm treated as a Killer will be VERY different.

  • CleviteClevite Member Posts: 4,335

    Do you play on PC? Do you think it is more of a platform thing? I just don't see it as often, but I do try to play as fair as possible. Not that the tactics used should matter in how someone responds to defeat.

    My question about rank was really referring to OP. I was curious if he was indeed a rank 20 and as such are these baby survivors really running around tbagging?

  • CleviteClevite Member Posts: 4,335

    Yes the messages that I have received that are over the line have come from survivors. I have never received hate mail from a killer. Ofcourse my survivor is not as skilled as my killer, so I probably rarely would be considered "toxic" as a survivor.

    But, in a 4v1 , mathematically it makes sense that a higher number of hate would come from the larger group. If killers where sending a higher percentage of hate messages, while only being 20% of the player base represented in each game. That would indicate a significant problem.

  • MoundshroudMoundshroud Member Posts: 4,460

    I do play on the PC. And I love the Cross Play because Console players are silent, so I don't hear them say ANYTHING. :) So I would expect since Console Players seem to have fewer options to be bad sports, that perhaps that is why Console players often don't understand how much PC Players encounter.

  • skarsgutsskarsguts Member Posts: 179

    Nice bait?

    I got to rank 1 killer in less than a week one-tricking Spirit. While I have 800 hours as solo survivor. No matter that Spirit is an easy-mode killer (so is Tunnelhead, Slinger, Freddy, and literally any other killer that decides to camp and tunnel).

    I faced t-bagging and flashlight clicking but how is that such a problem? You're really that offended? Never once did I feel "justified" to camp or tunnel a "toxic" survivor and everything still worked out perfect. I never once felt stressed playing killer unlike every game of solo survivor. I still go back to playing killer for more BP because killer's have that advantage (and many more) - and am still in red ranks.

    Literally the only things killer face that can be considered "toxic" is t-bagging and flashlight clicking. Yet here I am dealing with face-camping, hard tunneling, mori-ing off of first hook every game. Should I also express Tunnelheads purposely dropping me onto a trench so they could mini-mori me? How about the times I had Ghostface's t-bag me the entirety of bleeding state? The Doctor's forcing a 3-gen and refusing to kill anyone or let survivor's do gens? The tunneling iri-heads? The killer slugging for a 4k making the game go on forever because if a survivor got the hatch their ego would be hurt? The AFK wraiths? The many times I de-rank because a killer decided to camp and tunnel me out of the game within the first 5 minutes while they receive no punishment at all? I could write a 10-page report of how killers are toxic and deal with nothing in comparison to a solo survivor.

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