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Thoughts On The Mid Chapter

These are my first impressions for the update, my thoughts may change but this is what I currently think.

Executioner Changes

The increased delay is nice, removes that BS zoning by doing nothing. However that is quite the knock against his viability. They tried to balance it out by reducing his cooldown but that doesn't feel like enough. Perhaps they could increase the speed of his wave a small bit and maybe better turning to compensate.

Trail Of Torment

I like this a lot, seems as good as something like tinkerer, probably gonna run this every now and then.

Forced Penance

Its better, not great, but better. I'll take it.

Blood Pact

Seems decent for SWF, probably gonna be pretty annoying.

Any Means Necessary

Might run it on my sneakier builds. Sounds good for sneaking around and resetting a good pallet.

Cruel Limits

Its not worse, still probably a bit too situational.

For The People

Nothing that actually matters.

Mind Breaker

Still doesn't seem very good.

Slippery Meat

The chance is stupid, always has been. Until the random aspect is gone I ain't gonna run this.


Not sure, seems worse on its own. Might be better with other anti heals.


Seems good, capitalism wins again!


I love me some consistency, probably still not gonna run it but at least its better.


Why? Just why? Why you gotta do it like that?

Perk Simplification

Simplicity is nice, I like the change but its nothing to special.

Mac Millan Graphics Update

Concept art looks great, hope it lives up to the expectation. I'm willing to bet money on the idea its gonna be broken in some way though.

What Do You Guys Think?



  • MilanceeeMilanceee Member Posts: 161

    I know people complain about pop being 60 seconds but ds is also 60 seconds so i think its fine to reduce ds timer on tier 3 to 45 seconds.

  • SCP_FOR_DBDSCP_FOR_DBD Member Posts: 2,416

    For other killers like GF I need time to plan how the game changed with my actions and whos doing what in terms of gens. The time was stupid on characters like Freddy but it hurts on character were time is of the essence.

  • DabihwowDabihwow Member Posts: 3,409

    Oi where are the patch notes for this?

  • RepostRiposteRepostRiposte Member Posts: 793

    Where is my 45 second DS to go with my 45 second Pop?

  • OBXOBX Member Posts: 854

    It’s not weird at all..... there will be killers that buy blight because of it lol.

    then 2-3 months down the road they will nerf undying.

    we have seen bhvr do their scam before. Look at ph right now, mettle of man to name two.

  • SCP_FOR_DBDSCP_FOR_DBD Member Posts: 2,416

    Top of the page should have a link to the changes. Unless you X'ed it out, in which case rip.

  • SnakeSound222SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 4,455
    edited September 2020

    I'm waiting for the numbers on PH and Thana.

    Blood Pact is a bad idea. It's going to be another perk that's abused to hell and back in SWF.

    I agree with Cruel Limits and Mindbreaker. The durations are not the problem.

    PGTW nerf wasn't necessary. It rewarded the Killer for doing well and was one of the few meta perks for Killer. This is a clear example of catering to bad Survivors. That 15 seconds can be huge for the Killer.

    The other perk changes are fine (I really like Trail of Torment, sounds like it's going to synergize really well with Dragon's Grip).

    The MacMillan update is cool.

  • woundcowboywoundcowboy Member Posts: 1,050

    Cool, one less killer that is fun to use.

  • Tactless_NinjaTactless_Ninja Member Posts: 1,791

    Slippery Meat is still useless.

    And Blood Pact is going to worsen the gen rush meta.

    Otherwise they're fair changes.

  • DaKnightDaKnight Member Posts: 720

    Here's my thoughts:

    Nerf pop so everyone buys ruin undying. At least they could try to be less obvious about it.

  • BlazelskiBlazelski Member Posts: 236

    My opinions are all of this person's, except I still don't believe Any Means Necessary is going to be a good perk, and I think this nerf to Pop isn't the one that was needed. I think Pop was only ever too strong in Freddy's hands, and since he can be at any gen he wants at practically any time, this nerf doesn't affect him at all hardly, so I think it was a bit of a miss.

  • OBXOBX Member Posts: 854

    It was merely an example of selling a product and then changing it.

    I could care less about what they change. I just don’t like some of the motives behind some things.

    comprehend what you are reading prior to putting words in my mouth

  • icemancaticemancat Member Posts: 138

    I know a ton of people want to buff Slippery Meat in different ways, but as someone who uses the perk often already, I love the changes they did to it.

  • Golden_spiderGolden_spider Member Posts: 567
    edited September 2020

    Pyramid Head: Don't play so don't care really, at least no more lose/lose situations so that's something.

    Trail of Torment: Insidious & Tinkerer's actually decent baby.

    Forced Penance: Eh...

    Blood Pact: Probably usable by SWF, still just sub-parish for Solo.

    Any Means Necessary: Better if you have a Survivor who is pallet hungry I guess, still does little if the Killer breaks or can play around pallets.

    Cruel Limits: Still doesn't block pallets for a perk that only works 5 times.

    For The People: Finally I now get the Bloodpoints I expect from healing someone.

    Mindbreaker: Still requires the gen being under 50%? Then it's still terrible.

    Slippery Meat:

    Thanataphobia: Well it'll either be an actually decent stall perk or still sub-par garbage.

    We’re Gonna Live Forever: Well I guess that my free slot in my Solo Build is permanently taken now, who needs perk diversity anyways.

    Technician: Training Wheels Perk that decided to hammer down on the Training Wheels instead of Stealth. (Oh yeah also gotta possibly buy Feng to even use it before it realistically becomes obsolete)

    Pop Goes The Weasel: Good, now all Generator Perks are decent and useful... oh wait Dead Man's Switch, Discordance, Gearhead, Overcharge, Surge, and Surveillance exist and could've really used a buff instead.

    Perk Rarity: Well it'll be a little easier to search for a perk now.

    Graphics Update: How many frames will this cost us? I expect DBD to be a slideshow eventually because Optimization doesn't actually exist.

  • sad_killer_mainsad_killer_main Member Posts: 785

    1 word.


  • ArcticWolfArcticWolf Member Posts: 44

    I just want DS nerf so all the killer mains shut up about it already. Other then that slippery meat shocked me a tiny bit,Thanto really shocked me,and all other perk changes are meh. Map change looks really nice and i hope PH isnt hurt by the changes i like playing as him and going against him.

  • ClickyClickyClickyClicky Member Posts: 3,536

    I appreciate your opinion.

    The increased delay is nice, removes that BS zoning by doing nothing. However that is quite the knock against his viability. They tried to balance it out by reducing his cooldown but that doesn't feel like enough. Perhaps they could increase the speed of his wave a small bit and maybe better turning to compensate.

    This comes across as someone who disliked how Pyramid was played but understood why he was played that way. Because POTD itself isn't a very good attack, addressing the cooldown only does nothing.

    Sadly the balance team have made their intentions crystal clear no matter how they sugar coat it. It's a nerf to appease people that were unhappy (survivors).

  • MusicNerd_TCMusicNerd_TC Member Posts: 3,099

    This is what all the reasonable players have been saying. His zoning is annoying and BS, it needed to be changed, but he also needs a faster shockwave, or his punishment needed to be easier to hit to compensate.

  • Grimmy_BluuesGrimmy_Bluues Member Posts: 353

    Instead of nerfing pop, they should buff the weaker regression perks.

    PH nerf is good, but he needs more buffs to compensate.

    Everything else is good/alright.

  • RaSavage42RaSavage42 Member Posts: 2,746

    I really do want to see Thana in action... before I reach for an opinion (lol)

    Pop is still a really good perk... It takes more critical thinking and decision making ( they didn't change the regression so)

    Other then me going through everything and saying that I want to wait and see.... I want to wait and see how these changes work... LOL

  • ClickyClickyClickyClicky Member Posts: 3,536

    But sadly the developers despite claiming they listened have not.

    All these videos posted of how “broken” his zoning is seem to ignore the fact that in all of them he tries a shot and a survivor moves an inch during it and it misses lmao

    The developers dont care. PH is another killer that will fade into irrelevance except by the most nasty of tunnelers.

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