With every new chapter that comes with 6 new perks and 2 new characters, the grind already feels like a mountain. Are we getting bloodweb or bloodpoint changes anytime soon?
I wish they would get rid of perk tiers...
That wouldn't be bad at all
It has happened before, so never say never.
What has happened before? Did they reduce the grind in the past?
Yeah. It used to take a lot longer to fill up the bloodweb nodes to buy things too. It was like 2 years ago iirc, but they let more perks be available in the bloodweb and I think some prices got cut. Plus they have bloody party streamer style offerings show up more. We're up to what, 60 or 70 perks on both sides now? Might be time to scrap tiers imo.
There's so much that they could do to lessen the game's grind.
Removing the perk tiers is an obvious first choice, as it'd reduce the amount of times you need to unlock perks by 66%.
But there's also;
If you plan on P3'ing everything then yeah its a massive grind. Otherwise most people skip certain teachables and main one character.
Wouldn't mind seeing it alleviated more though.
Yes, there are plans to reduce the grind. Getting rid of perk tiers (or just one tier) is the most logical step to do so, IMO.
Not so long ago they made 3 perks appear in bloodweb after level 40 and 4 perks after level 50. I think it would be great if 4 perks appear in blood web after level 20. And 10 perks after level 50. That would reduce grind.
But best way is get rid of perk tiers I agree. Each side now have over 120 perks avialable if you have every DLC.
As @The_Bootie_Gorgon said removing perk tiers would be the best thing. Though since they are making the changes to rarietys in the mid-chpater patch I don't think they will.
Keep the grind more or less as it is. Maybe make stuff in the bloodweb slightly cheaper (for example instead 7000 for a red, make it 6000 or 2500 for a brown etc)
I know, people hate to grind for their perks, items and addons but as much as you believe you dislike it, it is a very important factor why you still play the game. You just dont realise that.
How about having the first tier on the web but after that make it based on using the perk to then tier up with 4000-5000 BP
For me it was actually the main reason why i just stopped playing. It is too much of a grind, it just is.
Plus can you imagine how bad it is for new players??
They're changing them, so at the end, they'll all be in the same rarity tier, but that's likely only because rarer tiers of perks show up less on a bloodweb.
Most people will probably disregard my comment considering I'm an older player, but here we go.
The grind isn't that bad. They have added additional perks to bloodwebs to decrease the grind, they made shards worth about 10x the amount of bloodpoints they used to be worth, they made dailies easier and worth twice as much, they've increased the worth of all bp offerings for single categories by 25%, they've increased scoring event bp in game multiple times, they've created multiple different double bp offerings that are stackable, and they introduced the rift, which has a few million bp in challenges every time.
Bp are easy to get and if you're not a completionist then the grind isn't really that much.
I would have to disagree here just because I've visibly seen new players drop the game upon realizing the sheer amount of games they would have to play just to feel like they had "options" even for the few people who picked up chapters on sale. I always try to downplay that aspect as it's not that serious of a game and it's entirely possible to get every teachable without a since auric/chapter purchase if you're determined... still doesn't keep more than half the people around.
I'm not saying that a long grind doesn't serve it's purpose for keeping certain personalities invested in the game (as someone who has basically finished getting every perk on every killer and now doing something similar to Survivors - something I prefer to do over trying to P3 everyone to dump my excess BP when I already have other cosmetics) but it's definitely a large barrier to entry for people who are just trying to casual play and experience different builds and situations.
The devs said they were reluctant to change bloodpoint caps or even webs directly because they want people spending their bloodpoints and not hoarding them... they're missing the forest for the trees. These older players just sit it at 1mil and hope for other kickbacks to push it to 1,500,000 etc for when they pick up a brand new character on release day. The 2 out of over 20 friends who I have introduced to this game who stuck around have pointed out that after 100~150 hours of gameplay they're still barely level 40 across all their characters and just now starting to have all basic (no dlc) teachables across a single character. Increase that investment by about another 200+ hours if the players decided to pick up all the chapter dlcs and want those teachables too.
MMORPGs require less initial investment... probably something BHVR should keep in mind
The grind definitely needs to be reduced. I rarely spend my bloodpoints nowdays unless on it's on a new character because it's so insanely time consuming. I don't find it fun at all. Honestly, if there was an option to automatically spend my bloodpoints, I would enable it.
the problem is the blood web. for perk maybe go down to lvl 30 for 3 perk and 40 for 4 perk. on the other hand, for survivors, being able to carry an item with addons each game is very simple. For killers, farming points is a chore for some. With the demo I use bbq just to be able to recover the rat liver. there are things that, due to their level of rarity, are very common and should not be, and others vice versa. there is a lot of garbage on the blood web. Maybe adding something that you can change items or to take out the garbage that one has accumulated and will never use would be good. for example change 3 yellow addons x one green
I understand that there is a lot to do, but realistically looking at it, is 10 hrs on average per character really that much to just get them some decent perks? I've put my time into killers more than survivors with all but 6 of them being P3 all perks (the remaining ones are still P3 50 minus blight), but I still have 6 survivors all perked and most every other one is prestiged at least once. I'm just saying that it's not as bad as people say it is.
I would still like maybe one more set of perks per bloodweb and to increase the shrine amount of perks to 6 or 8, but I don't think much beyond that is really needed.
I'm still grinding like 90% if people, but I guess I'm just seeing it differently since I started nearly 4 years ago now and saw how bad that all was.
its kinda funny that they actually made it worse with these perk changes, with everything being a purple perk now
Yes, it’s too much, I can beat other games in 10 hours, and then, 10 hours for the chance of getting the perks I want, 10 hours is too much of commitment for finally having options in a single character in a very casual game
Nope. Keep grinding, fam.
The more perks you have teachable, the worse your chances of getting a perk you actually want. The more you unlock, the WORSE the grind gets, since you have a higher chance of having to sift through stuff like 3 tiers of mindbreaker or hangman's or no mither or other worthless crap before you can actually get to decent perks.
Its nowhere near as bad for survivors, since you can just pool one survivor with all perks as they go and you'll always have what you want to choose from over time. But for killers since they play so differently, you need to do that for every single killer you want to play, and even the ones you don't because daily rituals and rift challenges don't care who you actually have stuff unlocked for.
The longeer you've been in the grind, the more gradual of a process its been. Playing catchup is a considerably worse experience because of how much effort is required to even become viable enough to do well enough to get the points to grind consistently.
An increase to the weekly shrine might negatively effect their bottom line since selling chapters is supposed to be easier than waiting around for them to pop up in the shrine teachables. As a player I agree that would be nice but I can see why it would be harder to sell if it has a risk involved with direct sales.
10~15 hours on average per character on either side using offerings, dailies and archive challenges is still a pretty intense grind. You have to think that could be almost 2 weeks for a casual player who plays a 1~3 matches every evening for their dailies.
People like you and me who have been playing for years and have unlocked everything have to step back objectively and try to see this from the average target market... BHVR's only risk in removing "too much" of the grind is that people might ultimately run out of things to spend bloodpoints on at some point other than Prestiging III on each character over again. There'll still be more than 500+ minimal hours of game time investment which should retain players since they release new chapters (killers, perks etc) and even gameplay changes or balances.... heck even cosmetics keep people invested to some degree.
If tiers won't be removed from the game then the webs need to be significantly smaller with 6 perks available instead of 4 at a time. There should be less than half the current nodes that just suck up points even if you manipulate the web well - as grabbing more addons and offerings can be that ending point sink once all the perks are unlocked.
The category limits for each match being at 8k should be lifted or at least keep the post game 1.5 or 2x Bloodpoint type postgame reward (like event times) as a constant effect. Rework certain perks (Distressing, Beast of Prey, No one Left Behind, etc) and killer addons (Especially ones that give a detriment in exchange for more bloodpoints like two of the Nurse addons) that give increased bloodpoints in certain categories to work like post-game rewards for those specific categories so they actually stack even further with BBQ / WGLF and aren't limited by the current 8k cap. There is no reason for those even trying to specifically BP grind to run these like "Speed Limiter" Hillbilly if you're maxing out those categories anyway through normal play.
when the game was kinda new you already had to level your character like sth about Level 71. Beside that grinding was much more intense and gaining Bps very hard, even if you would get rid of all tiers you had to level 83 bloodwebs (still increasing)...
I hate it. And still it's so time consuming p3ing every character and getting the perks you want on them. Or all.
Personally, I feel like the BP gain from BBQ and WGLF should just be baked into the game (and change those perks to rebalance them). As it stands, BBQ is an essential perk for players trying to unlock things via playing killer because of how much more BP it awards. I would likely run it even if it didn't have the additional detection portion.
Newer players are climbing a mountain to just get acclimated into running builds. If you go into this game blind and get tunnelled out/gen rushed of most of your matches with nothing to show for it what kind of welcome is that to new players? The grind is way too strenuous and I pity the player that doesn't unlock Meg, Jake, Laurie and Bill teachables first and foremost. Not to mention the most noob friendly perks (ds and inner strength) are locked behind paywalls.
If I had it all to do again I would never bother with Ash, Yui, Quentin, Ace, Zarina, Steve, Cheryl not a single perk in that group is worth spawning 9 different times throughout 20 different character blood webs. And killer has just as much if not more non viable perks for playing with this current meta.
These devs and devs in other games always want players to fall into the “sunk cost fallacy”. it helps retain players that would otherwise leave a spaghetti coded game. The big issue is for new players. Myself and many others that have been playing the game for years have every perk unlocked so getting 6 new ones each patch is not really that much. New players...... good luck.
This is precisely why I haven't prestiged any character. Between working and parenting I only have a few hours each day to play a game, and spending hours grinding bloodpoints isn't exactly my idea of a good time.
To be honest I'm fine if they want to keep the grind unchanged, but given the amount of perks now available they definitely should be having bloodpoint events more often. Maybe perhaps a double bloodpoint weekend once a month or something.
These were all positive changes, but they all came hand in hand with yet more perks and more characters to unlock them on, so they didn’t reduce the grind so much as stop it from getting astronomically worse.
Besides which, BPs are easy to get when you know the game. When you’re a new player, you struggle with BPs because a) you don’t play in a way which maximises BP gain, b) you find it harder to complete challenges, and c) you don’t have any farming perks, any BP offerings, etc.
A new survivor will probably earn like 10k bloodpoints in a match if they’re lucky, and that will be it, no multipliers. How far does that get you on a bloodweb? Two or three nodes?
The grind is an issue for NEW players, because they have absolutely nothing to help them with it. Nobody is concerned about someone with 1000 hours grinding P3 on everyone (I’m in this boat myself and it’s not really an issue for me), we’re concerned that new players have to sink tens of hours into the game to unlock a few measly perks and will get frustrated and give up. Especially since every time a new player complains about something like being tunnelled they get told “just run DS” or flashlights they hear “just run Lightborn”. Perks are the answer to every annoyance in this game so if you’re new and don’t have them you’re [BAD WORD] out of luck.