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What's Wrong with Hag?

Recently, I've picked up Hag once again to play her instead of Nurse (Because Nurse is extremely broken and becoming stale). However, almost every match now I'm getting DC's, people complaining that Hag should be reworked, and people accusing me of using the scroll wheel to get easy downs (I use E). What's so wrong with Hag that I get MORE hate from playing her than I do on Nurse?

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  • PawcelotPawcelot Member Posts: 985

    Hag got a bad rep due to her being extremely effective at camping, thanks to her being a "defensive" killer.

  • lowiqlowiq Member Posts: 401

    Hag rewards unfun playstyles for survivors. Essentially not getting into chases and camping hooks.

  • ButtercakeButtercake Member Posts: 1,656

    Well, last I heard she was sad cause Anna(Huntress) married Ace. Lisa always believed in her heart that Anna would choose her! I guess Ace is just too cool. Also Anna thinks all those poker chips Ace leaves laying around the house is fairy money! So cute! 💜

  • tomas11403tomas11403 Member Posts: 93

    Hag can make survivors feel very helpless. Often times you will get downed due to two well placed traps very quickly, and it may make you feel as if it is unfair because you had no real counter. In that moment this is partially true, you can't really predict where traps are very accurately as there are just too many potential trap spots. However, hag's main counter play comes early game, and that is having someone harass her while she attempts to set up her web. I think that this is the underlying issue people have with hag, because this counter is not something that is easy to do, especially in a solo q team. She isn't actually op, or realistically even in need of a change, but I can certainly see where the frustration comes from. What I'd say is play who you want to play and how you wish to, don't worry about people giving hate or dc'ing.

  • YordsYords Member Posts: 2,465

    She is a very difficult killer to play against in the right hands, my only tips against her would be to use your flashlights to burn away her traps and constantly have one or two people harass her web of traps. If a hag has at least 8 traps set down, you are probably going to die.

  • RockoRangoRockoRango Member Posts: 525

    I'll never really care if there isn't a basis other than people not learning how to play against Hag, but I've been confused on why I get hate for playing effectively.

    If 3 people are harassing, only one is doing gens. I've had multiple harassment squads (as well as streamers spamming flashlights), but they usually just spam the shack and think they can outplay the trap.

    It's funny to see people try to do that to me

  • YordsYords Member Posts: 2,465

    Lol, you get hate because you figured out how to not have survivors have a "gg EZ PZ baby killer" kind of game. But I will admit, playing hag is easy to me, but if I go against a hag I can get somewhat frustrated and probably will die if my team is less than average.

  • AvisDeeneAvisDeene Member Posts: 2,396

    Because a good Hag can’t be looped for 5 gens. Anything that stops Survivors from being able to loop or toy with the Killer is deemed unfun for them. It is why they hate camping so much.

    In order to be considered fun, you have to conform to their arbitrary rules and let them all escape.

  • animalmakanimalmak Member Posts: 388
    edited October 2020

    For me, it's less Hag herself and more how some Hag players play combined with how dumb solo q'rs are against her. Played a game against her yesterday where she set up her traps around me on my first hook but proceeded to stay in the area despite people not being directly there, which meant no one came and got me, which meant I stayed on that hook for 2 minutes before I died on first hook. And this isn't exactly an anomaly situation.

    I've played against a VERY GOOD Hag before and it was one of the most fun games my friends and I had. Her traps were so well-placed and she was so good at constantly spreading damage and wasting our time, and the whole game was just exciting moment after exciting moment. Unfortunately, this is not how most Hag players play.

    So TL;DR - I think you're just getting flack from how a good number of Hag players play (especially lower-rank Hag players), and people just not wanting to go against that. Because I don't think there's anything wrong with Hag as a killer because she's counterable but still very strong with the right player.

  • ALostPuppyALostPuppy Member Posts: 2,600

    She's built for camping and tunnelling injured survivors off hook, she doesn't care about what survivors do at all, she doesn't commit to a chase so the best part of the game for most people is literally not a thing and a survivor's skill is now determined by how well they can hold M1 on a gen while their friend is getting proxy camped on hook, and when nobody's on a hook your skill as a survivor is determined by how well you can run into a trap, get hit, run out and heal up and repeat this process until the gens are done. Honestly what isn't wrong with Hag...that being said if you enjoy playing her don't let other people's opinions dissuade you from playing a killer you enjoy. Because ultimately we're just moaning about things we don't find fun the same way killers are moaning about DS and the like. She's hardly an overpowered killer. She's not fun to play against in the slightest but at the end of the day all the complaints from survivors and killers about things are aimed towards the game itself, and not the player (at least I'm speaking for myself and a few others on the forums anyway, a lot of them don't seem to follow this mindset though)

  • ALostPuppyALostPuppy Member Posts: 2,600

    Well...anything that is completely uninteractive like Hag isn't gonna be considered fun by almost anyone. It's a justified complaint, why are you and so many others so hell-bent on insulting these people with valid complaints and opinions about a killer they don't like, and are ultimately not having fun? It's not illegal to complain about something you don't like is it? Unless this is a new rule on the forums that I'm not aware of. And that 2nd point about survivors making killers conform to rules and the killer letting them all escape is literally not true in the slightest.

  • RockoRangoRockoRango Member Posts: 525

    I can agree with your former post, but not the latter. Hag's power can be interacted heavily by the survivors to be worthless (flashlights), and they can be triggered to distract a bad Hag from a chase.

  • gibblywibblywoogibblywibblywoo Member Posts: 2,415

    It's weird. I love teh 3 gen setup as trapper but hate is as hag. I just find her kinda dull to play and not particularly enjoyable to verse. That said I almost never play against her.

  • UMCorianUMCorian Member Posts: 416
    edited October 2020

    Hag main here. She's probably one of the hardest killers to balance, simply because if 1 player doesn't understand how to play around her, it can basically screw up an entire team. Think about one player not understanding you have to crouch-walk over traps to rescue people, or be rescued. It screws both players and this is why you get so many easy wins with Hag from time to time.

    She's not like Billy where if you don't understand how his chainsaw works, but have the fundamentals down, you can still do OK. If you do not understand how to play vs. Hag, you have literally zero chance. And the game is not transparent *at all* in how to play against Hag.

    At the same time, Hag is also an unpopular killer. I have never run into her once as a Survivor and I do about 20/80... so you don't see her much. You don't see her much, you don't learn how to play against her. Or you may even forget.

    I don't think she's OP if Survivors know how to play around her. I think they need to address her from a knowledge point of view.

  • AvisDeeneAvisDeene Member Posts: 2,396
    edited October 2020

    There is no Killer in the game that is not interactive. The Killers that the majority of Survivors complain about are Killers that have anti-looping abilities. Take Hag for instance, Survivors complain about her because they’re forced to crouch and change their play style.

    I never said you can’t complain about Killers you don’t like. I just stated a fact, Survivors hate it when the Killers don’t conform to their idea of fun. That is why Spirit, Camping Bubbas, Freddy, Hill Billy, and Pyramid Head are constantly complained about. Heck, Nurse was absolutely gutted by the devs just so she wouldn’t be common enough for Survivors to complain about.

    As far as Hag goes, you can disarm her traps with a flashlight, or wait until she’s in a chase or carrying someone and just run over all her traps. It’s not difficult in the slightest, it just requires patience. The problem is Survivors don’t like to think about anything other than rushing Gens and rushing Hooks.

    The game isn’t all about having fun for Survivors. The devs have to make unique Killers in order to attract players or Survivors would have no one to play against. If the Devs listen to all of your complaints, all Killers would be M1 Killers like Wraith and you’d be waiting 30 minutes or more for a match.

  • thekiller490490thekiller490490 Member Posts: 1,166
    edited October 2020

    Hag is hilarious because almost everyone sucks at playing against her. When I get the occasional one who reacts quickly to my traps they become quite troublesome to catch. It's usually a matter of how well you react because I immediately swing out of a teleport. If you find a quick flashlight in a chest, my trap's hook pressure is basically non-existent.

  • WishIcouldmainWishIcouldmain Member Posts: 1,061
    edited October 2020

    The only hags I have problems with are the ones who only use traps when they hook someone and place nearly all of them on that person. Any other hag is fine.

  • xenotimebongxenotimebong Member Posts: 1,845

    I think one problem is that you learn how to play against Hag by playing as her, and very very few people play as her so they don’t understand how to play against her. She’s also very good at snowballing and punishing mistakes, so if you have even one or two guys on your team that don’t know what they’re doing against her you’re all pretty much dead. She’s very good at destroying pub teams if the person playing her is good.

    Most Hags are really bad though in my experience and easy to win against even for people who aren’t too familiar with her power. Unfortunately, bad Hags usually all play in the same anti-fun way (camping hooks) so people never enjoy those matches, even if they escape.

    Idk, I think Hag is mostly balanced but I understand why people don’t like her. I don’t think she should be reworked though.

  • dugmandugman Member Posts: 1,322

    Not just with flashlights but also they can be mitigated by crouching and can be intentionally triggered while the Hag is carrying someone.

  • DBD78DBD78 Member Posts: 1,480

    Love that Hag! Both to play and play against because it's very different from the other looping games. You have to think and mindgame a lot.

    Haglovers unite!

  • aregularplayeraregularplayer Member Posts: 906

    can you teach us how to play against her efficiently? a video would be appreciated. ty

  • RockoRangoRockoRango Member Posts: 525
    edited October 2020

    The effective way to counter her is to know how to play her, as said previously:

    It's not that different from Nurse, which is why I enjoy her a lot. Predict where the survivors will go, and zone them to a place that you have an advantage at. Do this by placing traps in areas survivors need to pass, like the route to the shack, and at loops.

    If you don't have a loop covered that they go to, cover it. They'll either be ballsy and try to play around your husk, which you can mind game, or they'll run to another loop you can trap (increasing your pressure by putting traps in important spots). If they're able to play around it or waste enough time? You lose the chase.

    That's really the basics. If you wanna know more, SpaceCoconut's Hag guide is very helpful. Just ignore the fact he's banned from the forums :)

  • SkittlesthehuskySkittlesthehusky Member Posts: 450

    unfortunately, i wouldn't be able to do so, as i don't play survivor often enough to play efficiently against her myself and i'm not confident in teaching others like that! x(

    even i'm still trying to figure out ways to counter her aside from faking out traps and avoiding certain areas, using flashlights to my ability, and perks that i feel could be useful so i could take that experience to my own hag killer games. i do, however, know that people don't take the time to learn like i do, so it's part of the problem as to why people think she's so busted. it's kind of similar to how people act when a new killer comes out, because people don't really know..

    hag is relatively tricky to go against because of her spider-like gameplay, but i'm sure there's ways to get around that!

  • TheWarNungTheWarNung Member Posts: 574
    edited October 2020

    If Hag lays more than 10 traps it causes her oldest trap to despawn. Even if you had gotten the save out of the basement she could have just continued laying new traps.

    I had a console Hag do this a few months ago: she put 19 traps in the basement. We all saw it with Kindred. I ran in, took a lap to set off all her traps, took a hit, and ran out. Poor Lisa chased me out of the basement, and my teammates ran in for the save. All 4 escaped.

    Otzdarva posted a vid some time back in which he placed all 10 traps in the basement of Badham's main building. He was using the addon that greatly increased the trap's range, so when he tricked a hapless Blendette into jumping down the hole into the room she set off all 10 traps at once. Now that is some quality content.

  • RaSavage42RaSavage42 Member Posts: 1,954

    it's the same as @animalmak said... players have developed bad habits that affect other players

  • aregularplayeraregularplayer Member Posts: 906

    Are you telling me to learn something from a guy who can't pass rank 20 survivor? You better be kidding. It's not because he is a Hag main that he has something to teach to anybody. His "play style" is exactly why people hate Hag:

    1. get bamboozled 32 times
    2. miss 75 hits
    3. get 360ed 49 times
    4. lose 4 gens
    5. finally down your first survivor
    6. camp the poor soul
  • RockoRangoRockoRango Member Posts: 525
    edited October 2020

    Yes, yes I am.

    No matter if you hate his play style or the fact he hardly plays survivor, his Hag guide is very solid and can help you with understanding what her weaknesses are. Besides, he's explained numerous times why aiming his attacks is hard for him (eye problems, which is relatable) and I've hardly seen him during his streams camping or losing due to having a horrible play style.

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