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Dead Hard is a perk that gives too much value.

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  • Larz02BarzLarz02Barz Member Posts: 95

    Dude dead hard is useful..... When it works I've had games as killer and survivor where the dead hard just doesn't work like the exhaustion is there but you still get hit now if they only use it for distance then hey you can't do anything except mind game the pallet or wall or whatever but it is not an unbearable perk

  • Customapple0Customapple0 Member Posts: 629

    Dead hard for distance is the only way it’s usable, using it to dodge hits is very unreliable

  • woundcowboywoundcowboy Member Posts: 1,119

    It is not an exaggeration. Situation: killer is chasing survivor who is running to a pallet or window. Normally, the killer would catch up, but with dead hard, the survivor is guaranteed to make the window/vault. Depending on the structure, this can easily add 30 seconds + to a chase. This isn’t even mentioning killers like Nurse and Huntress, who essentially have their power deleted and require them to catch the survivor 3 times in one chase (once to injure, once to take dead hard, once to down). If you are using it for invincibility, you are doing it wrong.

  • DaFireSquirtleDaFireSquirtle Member Posts: 188

    I just hate that survivors can play a loop perfectly meaning there's nothing as a killer you can do but if they make one mistake then dh just fixes it. I'm alright with them using it to make it to places because then I still have a decision, mindgame etc. So I think they should make it less of second chance perk and more of a took to reach pallets. It shouldn't give invincibility imo

  • BillyMain77BillyMain77 Member Posts: 415

    Not when your playing myers, billy, oni, bubba or anybody with an instadown.

  • CleviteClevite Member Posts: 4,335

    Just do bones!

  • BlueberryBlueberry Member Posts: 9,665

    A few situational instadowns doesn't invalidate the point.

  • xenofon13xenofon13 Member Posts: 1,241

    Too much value for the killers when you're exhausted on the ground.

  • dspaceman20dspaceman20 Member Posts: 3,423

    Well now I'm really curious. What changes to dead hard should be made to make it more fair without making it totally useless?

  • TheRockstarKnightTheRockstarKnight Member Posts: 2,103
    edited November 2020

    I feel like instadown Killers don't really make Dead Hard worse.

    Survivors become encouraged to avoid healing so that they can use Dead Hard to avoid the Killer's instadown/basic attacks after they're unhooked, Escape chase, or picked up.

    The one situation where Dead Hard is meaningless is if you get instadowned and are left to die on hook by your teammates.

    Otherwise you will always get potential value.

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    As for the topic.

    Personally, I don't really think that Dead Hard being consistently good is a bad thing. I think more perks should have near guaranteed value like Dead Hard or Whispers.

    I'm not saying Dead Hard is totally fine - Dead Hard for distance is annoying and Dead Hard against Trapper, Huntress, Nurse, and Blight can be frustratingly strong - just saying that I'm not so sure that a perk being reliably good is problematic.

  • NeptuneDerpNeptuneDerp Member Posts: 1

    Haha are you people kidding? No downsides?? It doesnt work against a chunk of the killers who rely on oneshots, billy, leatherbilly, ghosface, onis power etc. Even if they are already injured, all the killer needs to do is run behind the surv and make them waste it. It is the most situational perk right after BL. Even with these dedicated servers and my avg 36 ping. Most of the time killer hits me during the deadhard, i get exhausted and then the game goes "wait no. You didnt DH" And removes the exhaustion.

  • ZaytexZaytex Member Posts: 836

    I do agree that DH is probably too strong when used properly, as the only counter to it (i.e to bait, or wait it out) becomes null and void.

    Comparing it to the other exhaustion perks, DH is probably the one with the least consequence to using it.

    SB requires you to walk and maintain it properly, or risk not having it when you need it.

    Lithe is predictable and can be stopped/interrupted easier than any of the other perks.

    BL is predictable and requires high-ground, which isn't on every map in the game.

    DH.. doesn't really require anything, you could argue timing it is important, but for experienced survivors, this isn't that hard.

  • hillbillyclaudmain69hillbillyclaudmain69 Member Posts: 1,528

    I dont even heal vs nurses, and I still get the longest chases on my team. Not healing is the most optimal thing to do, and good loopers, like me, wont heal unless we NEED to, which normally we wont.

  • KingMyersKingMyers Member Posts: 57

    U have to be injured to use it lmfao it's literally useless against any one shot killer and even if after u get them the first time and use it it's not really much value, I've never once had issues with dead hard and from personal statistics I'd say I'm either really lucky or 3/4s the people that use it can't use it right or get the good ol dbd treatment and it doesn't work like it should have. Either way complaining about dead hard seems pretty trivial compared to other very real problems this game has....

  • hatchnoisehatchnoise Member Posts: 8

    I can totally see why it’s a high value perk, but honestly? Weird server inconsistencies have been rendering it useless for me recently and I don’t even run it anymore because of that. Maybe bhvr nerfed it in their own special way (dedicated servers 😭😭)

  • Withered8Withered8 Member Posts: 1,160
  • Withered8Withered8 Member Posts: 1,160

    If things were truly balanced around the highest capabilities in this game or should be as you say then pretty much every killer would be lowered to e tier level. You do realise pretty much everything can be strong in this game once you master it. Even the weakest of killers.

  • BlueberryBlueberry Member Posts: 9,665
    edited November 2020

    You mean besides the fact that it requires two perk slots for the them to work, extremely high risk as you could have them removed immediately if you don't get lucky, has multiple counters, and does absolutely nothing unless the killer is really skilled at pressuring the survivors effectively?

    Ruin/Undying is literally the epitome of the type of design where a cost/downside/requirement/skill component is taken into consideration.

  • CallmehandsomeCallmehandsome Member Posts: 529

    Problem with dead hard is that it allows you to undo killers mind game just by pressing a button, combine this with the fact that most survivors are running it, and they have it available in every chase. The perk simply gets too big advantages compared to the "drawback" that you have to be injured. Sprint burst has massive drawbacks because you need to walk around the map if you want to have it 24/7 while healthy, sure you can 99% it while running but then you cannot do anything productive while doing that, such as repairing gens, healing teammates which will once again send you walking if you want to keep the perk available. One simple fix to dead hard could be add broken feature that you cannot heal in 60 seconds if you use the perk, being injured is not really a drawback con cindering how strong it is

  • Raz_Raz_ Member Posts: 296

    when the perk would work yeah sure. why is a perk what works 3/10 times a big issue.

    Sprint burst give you a even better value and actually works but nobody complains about it.

    you can bait dead hard easily. dead hard isnt working against insta downs (billy, leatherface etc) SB is working whenever you want.

    its hilarious that there are still killers who think DH is OP or too strong lol

    you said nerf BL, you made it useless and nobody is running it. now dead hard ? and then Sprint burst? survivors shouldnt have anything lol

    btw there also killer mechanics/perks what gives you a lot of value. you want me to list every single one?

  • jimmy5200jimmy5200 Member Posts: 83

    Rid of all of the survivor perks. Boom you wanna make it to a pallet and loop it well that’s too bad. If they can make it to a pallet with dead hard then kick the dam thing once it’s down then they’ll need to loop elsewhere. Is it really that difficult to do? You really do love complaining about easily countered perks this isn’t old dbd where you can recover from exhaustion while running as in they only have dead hard once every 40 seconds they ain’t running so it’s not that difficult to outplay

  • landromatlandromat Member Posts: 2,193
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