Gotta tick off those diversity boxes, I guess. This kind of stuff is a huge meme every time it comes up. I'm just here to cut people up and get camped, not think about whether or not the character I'm playing swings every, opposite, or conventional way.
So don't think about it. It's going to be buried deep in the lore, you'd have to actively go out looking for it.
That's none of our business, now is it?
who cares tho
its a game where you run around windows and pallets
The reason it matters is because representation matters. Does Ellie's sexuality in The Last of Us matter? The game mechanics wouldn't be any different if she was attracted to males, and you could argue that her being a heterosexual young woman wouldn't even change the narrative that much. The problem, as I see it, is if every game is absent of homosexual characters. Then it is as if gay people do not exist in these game worlds, this straight-washing of societies, even if they are imagined, leaves people without representation regarding their sexuality.
Representation done well can help bring down barriers, it can help prevent bigotry, demystify and nomalize something that people have no choice in. Would Dead by Daylight be a better game if it reflected sexualities? Yes. Will it help me be beeter at escaping the Killer? Sadly it won't.
Well Peter Parker aka spiderman, is someone who many people from all different backgrounds and walk of life relate to. Men, women, black and white. Ect ect. Who do people relate to a character so much, who is not their gender or even looks like them? Good character, who when through very relatable things like the lost of loved ones. Having trouble playing the rent. Things every day common people can relate to. Balancing his personal life, along side work and super hero life.
Which none of the reason people relate to him, is due to his skin color, gender or sexually. Which it's not skin deep things they relate to, it's more than that. It's about who the character is as a person, not what the character is. Which is why I bring all of this up. For what you bring up at the end of your post, is well something that happens alot in the past couple of years. People will just slap x sexually onto a character and call it finish. Thinking people will just relate to anything if you just have it be x. Which often leads to well gay Iceman, where marvel turn a legit straight character gay due to magic and created a character so poorly written, you would think the writer hated gay people, if he himself was not gay. For iceman was turn into the most flameboytant unlikable jerk you could picture.
Now japan has a whole genre of manga about boys love and girls love. Heck even stuff that is not purely focus on it, like a historical manga I can recall about samurai, will show this kind of stuff. Yet people are far more accepting of it in eastern media like japan than western media. Is due to one simple reason. The quality of the writing. They take the time to build a character who is say gay but they are so much more than just gay. They are a fully flesh out character, to the point their sexually is a very minor trait. What often western pieces of media get wrong that eastern media gets right is, the character is more than just their sexually. Alot of western pieces of media like gay iceman, Chavez under Gabby Rivera from marvel, is they make being gay the one and only trait these characters have. It's at best skin deep representation. When a real person, be they straight, gay or something else. Has a personally, they can like sweetards, enjoy drinking beer, playing video games. They are not just straight or gay. They are a human being, with so many more parts that make them into who they are, that even if two people are straight, gay or whatever, they don't act the same, for they are different people. They are not part of this hive mind collective, which is how some writers like to treat gay people. No they are people. Yet sadly some writers will just see this as a cheap way to cash in, by throwing in a gay character and giving no effort to making this character a good character, just so they can say they have it. Which in some cases it like who can really blame these writers for doing so. Since you hear demands for representation, not demands for good writing. That and well in the case of representation, that is that little issue of well. People are different, to truly represent everyone, you would need different characters with different ways of thinking and acting. Not just well they are x and nothing more. For the thing people relate to most, is who a character is, not what they are. Since you have women like that Star wars Girl on youtube, who relate to Luke Skywalker and look up to them as a hero, due to who the character was as a person.
What do you mean by this?
Does it matter? They'll be dead on hook anyway XD
^The last paragraph is the best thing I've read on this topic, I mean David and Jake literally have 30s outfits and people still gives a fudge about what's canon and not in a game that literally has multiple timelines (sort of, survivors dying and dying on end to feed the entity counts as multiple timelines)? The devs made their own story but so can we, we control our characters in game after all, right? That was the devs' initial plan all along but then the tomes came and they realised they can't find a loophole to keep everyone happy anymore, but that doesn't mean s**t in the end, if you want Dwight and David together, nobody stops you.
No, yui is a biological man that identify as a woman.
I bet Yui has scissored Nea, Meg and Claudette to completion. Fan fic writers get started on this!
Well that would most likely be the best way of handling anythings. Since it would allow everyone to have their own way of handling things and let it be true, in their personal cannon. Since to point to disney star wars, alot of shippers were not very happy with the way Rei and Klyo were handle. They sort of got what they wanted but not in the way they wanted. While leaving it up to everyone own mind, would allow them to picture it the way they desire 100%. Which is much better than other ideas in this thread that are more or less akin to burn the witch and shove their point of view down everyone's throat.
Well I seen alot of war and action genre focus pieces of media. That lack any romance, yet logically these characters had to come from some where. It seems like yes straight people exist, even if they don't say it in the story or show it. Since well a story focus on war, will sometimes purely focus on the front line fighting. Yet it wouldn't make much sense, for us to go with they didn't show it, so it doesn't exist. Since these people had to be born somehow and these pieces of media are base on our own world. Since everything else is like our world, in the case of these stories base on our own reality. It would only make sense, to think everything else works the same as our own world. Since a story only has so much time like in the case of a movie or even in other pieces of media, only has so much spot light it can focus on, it needs to leave things that are not important out, since a car I think everyone knows how it works and doesn't need it to be explained to them, when it could be used on more important story elements. Which something that is on going like dead by daylight and with the way the rifts work, they can always make sure everyone gets their own focus. That and when it comes to repsentation, to truly repsentation people. You need more than they are just gay. Since there is a slice of life show I watch, which has a gay couple. They act like a real couple, they are not just gay. They have disagreements, they get into trouble. They raise a child. They act like real people. Which is often what representation demands forget. The reason people relate to others, is due to who they are. Not what they are. People are not robots or part of some human mind that all act the same. That and I could add in a gay character to something, doesn't make it better. Same for a straight character, their sexually doesn't make something better. You have to put effort into it, to truly make it better. Otherwise any character who is straight would be beloved as Peter Parker or Like Luke Skywalker used to be before disney got their hands on him. Yet characters like Kirito are hated by alot of folk, due to their lack of effort or quality in the writing behind them. IF you truly want to represent someone. Do what all great classic characters did before them, flesh them out and make them feel like a real life person. For all humans are more than just gay or straight, they have a favorite drink, a meal they enjoy, things they like and dislike, not just their sexually.
Which also your final statement, conflicts it's self. You say it will make the game better but than go it has no effect on gameplay. Unless you meant story wise than fair point.
Everyone suffers equally
I hope they leave sexuality out of this game.
Its literally a game, if your part of the gay community and want to imagine your favorite character as yourself then go right ahead, but we dont need the devs labeling the characters as straight gay bi ect whatever
Its a game, you want gay characters then just imagine it. Put on your gayest cosmetics and flame away, but please dont ask the devs to make characters a certain sexuality.
I can see it now, new gay character is introduced and now someone playing killer that hates gay people just tunnels the people playing the gay survivor and delivers much more unwanted hate messages during end game. Kinda like the treatment you get if you play a p3 Claudette.
Just my thoughts, im all for expressing yourself and you doing you, but this is a video game and we should leave it just that.
A video game.
The thing is, heterosexuality has already been introduced in this game with the Nurse, Frank and Julie, as well as David. People just want equal representation. If they want to leave sexuality out of the game, fine. But they've already ruined that with the characters I mentioned above.
Thank you for the response, I shall address your last point first.
Yes it is only in regards to the story that having a gay character could improve the game. But it is subjective, meaning it is personal feelings that are correct here rather than some fact that is true for everyone. So if someone hated gay people, then the game will have just gotten worse for them. But for most people there is the potential to improve the story of the game by having one or more lgbt characters.
Regarding the war genre, it is a good example. Movies from the last century rarely featured homosexual story lines, despite there being gay soldiers who fought in those wars. Often the heterosexuality of those in the war zone is established by longing looks at a photo of their sweetheart back at home, or scenes where they leave their loved one or return after the war. As you mentioned even where their heterosexuality is not explicitly shown, then it is just assumed that everyone involved is straight. Since the majority of people live heterosexual lives, then it is a safe assumption. This is part of the reason there is a desire to come out. Otherwise there would be very little by way of representation of gay people in society. And this it is important to mention that homosexuality has only been legalized over the last fifty years, and equality is a process that is still ongoing. The word gay is used in a pejorative way by some, meaning that it is meant to refer to something that is bad. This is the type of issues that positive representation tackles. If the hero fighting the war is a lesbian or gay person, then the word gay will have this other meaning.
But to bring this back to this game. Another question that should be asked is, is it the duty of the makers of Dead by Daylight to include gay characters? No, as I see it they should mainly be concerned with making money, creating something they are proud of and entertaining the majority of the players.
Final point, I totally agree with you about the representation being meaningful, like the show you watch, having well rounded characters who happen to be gay is the goal here. Since the story aspect of this game is expanding and becoming richer, then the opportunity for the inclusion of homosexual characters increase. Does it matter to most players? I wouldn't think so. Should it be done just to fulfill a representation quota? Again I don't think so. I feel that it should be added when one of the game makers/writers gets inspired to include it, whether it is a new character or something revealed about already existing character, it doesn't matter.
Anyway I think that's pretty much everything I have to say on it, thanks again for the reply.
I get the feeling people saying "I hope they leave sexuality out of the game" have never actually read the lore, and thus would be unaffected by any LGBT characters being confirmed.
Because you asked what I mean:
you said you preferred the way that BHVR does not confirm any LGBT chars because it’s a horror game and they are going the „make your own headcanons“ route.
(this is wrong as you can see by the tweet that I linked in a post on thin thread btw.)
but what do you think about the lore of Legion for example: read the tome and tell me that the sexuality of Frank and Julie is up to headcanon. Felix has a pregnant wife. David had a girlfriend. Nurse was married to a man (and got insane after his death). All those characters have at least confirmed heterosexual relationships.
I don't know what I expected when I went into this thread, but I did not expect this.
I don't mind if Yui is lesbian or not. I do find it a bit pointless to argue for it being fact when there is (to my knowledge) no evidence to support it. Currently, it's all headcanon until the devs do something to confirm it.
If she does turn out to be one, then great. I'm glad the LGBT community can have some representation. There's nothing wrong with being inclusive provided that it's done tastefully.
I hear what you're saying, but if some games want to include things like blood type in their character bios, then why not sexual orientation?
I personally don't mind that if one fo the characters is lesbian, gay, or LGBT at all. Just don't take it to an extreme level, I'm not a part of that community however I understand. But if its lets say nagged on about the idea that a decency of the characters are LGBT that is when I draw the line. I don't care about but I don't want it to get out of hand.
For a majority of characters though, their past relations are left really vague. Plus tomes aren't really that accurate to the backstories of most characters i.e Julie ended up being a murderous psychopath even though in Legion's lore Frank was the one who pressured the others into joining in on killing the janitor. I don't really care if we do or don't have LGBT characters, but I also think a lot of the mystery of the game would be lost if everyone had really detailed backstories.
I guess they do want to expand their lore more and more - for both older and new characters.
and maybe these stories are actually out of multiverses and that’s how the Legion story’s fit together, who knows.
frankly I don’t really care, I just don’t want all things LGBT explicitly excluded just because while heterosexual relationships are included. I actually hope, not every char gets their sexuality revealed. Only where it fits in the story naturally.
Honestly even with lore that we have gotten about characters having partners in the past or currently having a partner of the opposite gender, that doesn't mean that they are straight. We have to take into account that they could be bi, pan, etc. So unless its been 100% confirmed then every character has the potential to be a part of the LGBTQ+ community.
what in the what??????
I know OP posted some stuff that was like what am I reading, but what in the what(you know what I'm talking about)????
Mate, you can be a strong woman that stands up for female rights AND be a lesbian.... In fact, I would even go as far to say that her being a lesbian is more motivation for her to have feminist ideals.
Because it's nice to see people who are like us in media?? Hello? There's nothing wrong with that at all.