if we're taking into account every piece of media in the entire world, cishet ppl are way over-represented. are you suggesting dbd should have more than 4 queer characters to compensate for the lack of representation elsewhere? cuz i'm down, let's do that then.
Eh, to be honest I didn't like TLOU 2 for the story. I actually found the relationship between Dina and Ellie pretty dinamic and cute, but overall the story feels like a massive shitfest, left me mad for weeks. The gameplay was a total banger tho.
altho it warms my heart that you care so much, i really don't think the devs can make the current situation worse by including us. just take a quick glance around the forums right now. gamers are practically imploding because a png had bisexual lighting, that level of irrational panic doesn't just go poof cuz you're too cowardly to confront it.
wanted to point this out but the twitter avatar and the pic the posted with female like body don't match up like the pic with no real head got long hair the head avatar pic also different hair colors one light blueor bluest green and the others like pink/white color and different clothes
so I think the avatar pic the killer and the one with no head the survivor.
No. Just no. I'm gay. I've been gay for 42 years. This is the most representation I've ever seen and I love it. Keep it coming. You young gays have it good now - you don't have to hide like we did.
Being inclusive to everyone is a very good thing, as long as they don't make the character obnoxious and in your face about their sexuality and whatnot.
If the character is written the same as others with subtle indicators that they're LGBT, perfect. I feel like a lot of the complaints are stemming from the fact that we don't even know the lore and it's being marketed as LGBT, which comes off as forced for the sake of marketing.
Fine by me though, this opens the door to a trap survivor which I would like.
Like i said i dont care at all and i DONT want to know if a char would love a girl or a man or if he likes Buddha , biblic or others . I play games to be out of REAL LIFE so i dont want to be realistic at this point . BHVR can make this choice to add it but i dont want them to do so. it's my choice respect it, you have yours and i respect it. i think there are many players like me who wants to be "out" of real life .
I'm sorry, what? We don't have to hide? You say you're gay, yet you seem to be totally unaware of what being gay is like. You should know how hard it is to come out, how bad it makes you feel to be different.
And don't pull the "I'm older so I now better" card on me, cause age doesn't matter at all in it. You may like to finally say gay people being accepted, but all of this representation makes us hated. And even worse, straight people feel like they are forced to support us cause if they don't they're gonna be sued, bullied or treated as "homophobic bigots". It makes us look like dictators and this is BAD. But sure, be happy to be more and more hated, cause I'm not. I want to live my life without people being either hypocrite to not be treated as homophobics or hateful cause we keep shoving again and again all this LGBTQ propaganda in their faces.
I would be totally okay with a backstory only mentioning that a character is gay, but come on, we know for sure that it's not gonna happen. Look at the pictures. We are probably getting a transgender, crossdresser or something, that will be ridiculously stereotypical. I can't believe bhvr cares so much about making this game scary and at the same time creating sparkly LGBT characters that look like they're going to the gay pride. This will look like a parody and ruin the atmosphere for good.
BUT, if there's a slight chance of you being right, then that's a relief. But I kinda lost all hope at this point.
That's an unfair comparison and you know it. Each TV show, movie, book, etc., isn't comprised of a single character. In the few that do have LGBT characters, it's usually one character out of hundreds, perhaps thousands of others. That's not proportional in the slightest.
Other groups of people don't comprise 100% of the population either, but they are virtually omnipresent in media, yet it's only LGBT that you have a problem with. Why is that?
I am not sure what you are hinting at, but they are getting what they need and doing their work. This topic has no relation to this at all. It doesn't affect their work at tall.
my original comment was not meant to be rude but the fact that you took offence to me questioning the existence of the team should show you the quality of said team.
I didn't take offense, I shared information I felt was relevant based on your questions. However, even if I had taken offense, that would reflect nothing on the team, just my opinion of you.
yeah, and while we are at this red/Ginger hair people make up less than 1 % of people.
so Meg and Sally should be deleted from the game, there is really no reason for them to be in DbD!
also the Entity doesn’t pick randomly but he picks people that fit into what he wants, they need to be strong willed, hopeful, caring for other (if it’s survivor), emotional, having gone through struggles in life etc. LGBT people often do fit those criteria very well.
also the Entity doesn’t pick randomly but he picks people that fit into what he wants, they need to be strong willed, hopeful, caring for other (if it’s survivor), emotional, having gone through struggles in life etc. LGBT people often do fit those criteria very well.
This, so much. Believing that DbD's survivors are random samples of society just shows one simple fact: he doesn't read the lore. And if he doesn't read the lore, then having an LGBT character won't affect him.
Please try to stay on topic, this thread has nothing to do with game balance or bug fixes.
To go back on track: you might not care about representation, it might not affect you and you are lucky enough to live a life without discrimination, but please keep in mind it's not true for everyone, others might care and might want to feel represented and welcomed in a game they love, and they shouldn't need to fight to be treated equally.
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so if we're about 8% of the world, naturally you'd be okay with us being represented by 4 out of dbd's 46 characters right? that's about 8%.
If Dbd was the only form of media out there, sure.
if we're taking into account every piece of media in the entire world, cishet ppl are way over-represented. are you suggesting dbd should have more than 4 queer characters to compensate for the lack of representation elsewhere? cuz i'm down, let's do that then.
Eh, to be honest I didn't like TLOU 2 for the story. I actually found the relationship between Dina and Ellie pretty dinamic and cute, but overall the story feels like a massive shitfest, left me mad for weeks. The gameplay was a total banger tho.
Haha, good point!
altho it warms my heart that you care so much, i really don't think the devs can make the current situation worse by including us. just take a quick glance around the forums right now. gamers are practically imploding because a png had bisexual lighting, that level of irrational panic doesn't just go poof cuz you're too cowardly to confront it.
wanted to point this out but the twitter avatar and the pic the posted with female like body don't match up like the pic with no real head got long hair the head avatar pic also different hair colors one light blueor bluest green and the others like pink/white color and different clothes
so I think the avatar pic the killer and the one with no head the survivor.
No. Just no. I'm gay. I've been gay for 42 years. This is the most representation I've ever seen and I love it. Keep it coming. You young gays have it good now - you don't have to hide like we did.
More representation, not less.
Being inclusive to everyone is a very good thing, as long as they don't make the character obnoxious and in your face about their sexuality and whatnot.
If the character is written the same as others with subtle indicators that they're LGBT, perfect. I feel like a lot of the complaints are stemming from the fact that we don't even know the lore and it's being marketed as LGBT, which comes off as forced for the sake of marketing.
Fine by me though, this opens the door to a trap survivor which I would like.
Like i said i dont care at all and i DONT want to know if a char would love a girl or a man or if he likes Buddha , biblic or others . I play games to be out of REAL LIFE so i dont want to be realistic at this point . BHVR can make this choice to add it but i dont want them to do so. it's my choice respect it, you have yours and i respect it. i think there are many players like me who wants to be "out" of real life .
Yes the Trans flag is Blue pink white pink blue
Maybe a survivor who is a drag queen or king that would be awesome
I personally don't care.
If it's LGTB good great for them
If not it doesn't hurt me
Always surprises me how many people that don't care are throwing hissy fits.
Either way whether this character is LGTB or not, whether it's killer or survivor I'm probably getting them.
Why? Cause they look rad as hell. Really excitted for this chapter
I'm sorry, what? We don't have to hide? You say you're gay, yet you seem to be totally unaware of what being gay is like. You should know how hard it is to come out, how bad it makes you feel to be different.
And don't pull the "I'm older so I now better" card on me, cause age doesn't matter at all in it. You may like to finally say gay people being accepted, but all of this representation makes us hated. And even worse, straight people feel like they are forced to support us cause if they don't they're gonna be sued, bullied or treated as "homophobic bigots". It makes us look like dictators and this is BAD. But sure, be happy to be more and more hated, cause I'm not. I want to live my life without people being either hypocrite to not be treated as homophobics or hateful cause we keep shoving again and again all this LGBTQ propaganda in their faces.
I would be totally okay with a backstory only mentioning that a character is gay, but come on, we know for sure that it's not gonna happen. Look at the pictures. We are probably getting a transgender, crossdresser or something, that will be ridiculously stereotypical. I can't believe bhvr cares so much about making this game scary and at the same time creating sparkly LGBT characters that look like they're going to the gay pride. This will look like a parody and ruin the atmosphere for good.
BUT, if there's a slight chance of you being right, then that's a relief. But I kinda lost all hope at this point.
There is like half a dozen edited posts by mods on every page 😂
Yall need to take a deep breath.
Serious question how much resources are put into both?
Because the later seems to be neglected in favor of the former.
For all we know the balance team is just Almo.
The balance team is not just one person. There are multiple people on the balance team.
Learn something new everyday. thanks for legitimately clearing that up as I was starting to question it.
But the point still stands.
More effort needs to be put towards the balance and bug fixes.
The fact that I actually thought there was a chance your balance team only had one person should be concerning.
Also, another legitimate question do you guys have a QA team?
That's an unfair comparison and you know it. Each TV show, movie, book, etc., isn't comprised of a single character. In the few that do have LGBT characters, it's usually one character out of hundreds, perhaps thousands of others. That's not proportional in the slightest.
Other groups of people don't comprise 100% of the population either, but they are virtually omnipresent in media, yet it's only LGBT that you have a problem with. Why is that?
Yes, they do. I have one on my friends list and I can guarantee you she has more hours than any DbD player in the world can even hope to achieve.
Yes and the teams are still separate. One team doing their work does not influence what the others does in that regard, especially for lore and story.
Not what I am saying at all.
Why is the team that deals with making the game ya know work... getting less support.
I am not sure what you are hinting at, but they are getting what they need and doing their work. This topic has no relation to this at all. It doesn't affect their work at tall.
It's not. Look up survival bias and what happens when QA finds a bug in any normal development team. It doesn't work like you seem to believe.
my original comment was not meant to be rude but the fact that you took offence to me questioning the existence of the team should show you the quality of said team.
I didn't take offense, I shared information I felt was relevant based on your questions. However, even if I had taken offense, that would reflect nothing on the team, just my opinion of you.
yeah, and while we are at this red/Ginger hair people make up less than 1 % of people.
so Meg and Sally should be deleted from the game, there is really no reason for them to be in DbD!
also the Entity doesn’t pick randomly but he picks people that fit into what he wants, they need to be strong willed, hopeful, caring for other (if it’s survivor), emotional, having gone through struggles in life etc. LGBT people often do fit those criteria very well.
also the Entity doesn’t pick randomly but he picks people that fit into what he wants, they need to be strong willed, hopeful, caring for other (if it’s survivor), emotional, having gone through struggles in life etc. LGBT people often do fit those criteria very well.
This, so much. Believing that DbD's survivors are random samples of society just shows one simple fact: he doesn't read the lore. And if he doesn't read the lore, then having an LGBT character won't affect him.
Please try to stay on topic, this thread has nothing to do with game balance or bug fixes.
To go back on track: you might not care about representation, it might not affect you and you are lucky enough to live a life without discrimination, but please keep in mind it's not true for everyone, others might care and might want to feel represented and welcomed in a game they love, and they shouldn't need to fight to be treated equally.