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The Trickster Is Not The Worst Killer

ShroompyShroompy Member Posts: 2,953
edited April 2021 in Feedback and Suggestions

After playing Trickster for countless hours in the past week I'm starting to believe that we're getting another Hag situation, old Hag had her flaws but it didn't help that the majority of the player base just set all 10 traps near the hook, once she received some buffs people actually realized you can set traps at loops and actually have quite a bit of lethality, now she's placed pretty high up in many people's tier lists

I see The Trickster in the same situation, people are trying to play him like the other ranged killers we already have, the way I see it, he's just the "shotgun" of the ranged killers. Trickster being close up to a survivor can result them being downed in seconds, much faster than the other ranged killers we have at the moment, the problem is people are trying to play him similarly to Huntress, y'all need to understand that Trickster at long to medium range his knives won't do anything, just like how back in the day with Hag, doesn't matter how many traps are near that hook, all it takes is 1 to find out some one is going for that save.

I'm not saying Trickster is top tier, I'm just saying he isn't the worst killer. All he needs are a few QoL improvements and I think he'll be spot on.

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  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 9,393

    No killer is useless but trickster is the worst for the sole fact that huntress and slinger exist

  • CrowmanCrowman Member Posts: 4,247

    I would say Trickster in their current state is useless. You would be better using any other killer in the game as his power gives him no advantage over any other killer.

    Even Trapper and Clown who are also considered weak killers have advantages with their powers.

    Trickster is also the only killer I would say is unviable against a group of average survivors.

  • BasementDwellerBasementDweller Member Posts: 279

    he's just the "shotgun" of the ranged killers. Trickster being close up to a survivor can result them being downed in seconds

    Huntress can do this as well, faster and better than Trickster

  • ShroompyShroompy Member Posts: 2,953

    I'm not comparing their powers, I'm comparing how they were seen by the community

    The thing with Trickster is even a close range he can deal with the majority of loops in the game, either over the loop or throw through small gaps in walls, and all the killers you listed their power gets shut down the minute they throw down a pallet with the exception of Huntress, and even then he still has his advantages compared to her.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 11,977

    I feel like mentioning Hag actually getting buffed self-defeats your own comparison. Maybe the reason people realized Hag's potential is because she got that potential after the buff.

    Part of me speculates that if the Trickster gets buffed in a meaningful way, months from now people are going to be like "Everyone thought Trickster was gonna be bad, but then after he was released he turned out to be pretty good!" while conveniently ignoring the fact that he got buffed.

  • Mr_KMr_K Member Posts: 7,379

    If you put less than 20 traps around the hook, you cannot call yourself a Hag main.

    😉

  • ShroompyShroompy Member Posts: 2,953

    Thats like saying Plague and Myers are absolutely useless because Oni exists, they all fall into the category of tier up killers but all have their own advantages and disadvantages

    Trickster is indeed the worst out of the 3 dedicated ranged killers we have in the game, I never said he wasn't. What I am saying is he doesn't deserve the amount of backlash he's getting

  • KebekKebek Member Posts: 3,676

    What are you on about, huntress downs survivors close to her 10 times faster than trickster. Please don't compare him to hag who is leagues above him in strength and skill required to play her.

    If you by some miracle actually have gameplay of trickster beiing useful vs good survivors, share it.

    Even when hag used to be bad before the buffs, there still were hag mains that made her work as their trap placement was godly. Trickster has nothing like that as right now he's got no potencial because even if you somehow hit 100% of your knifes, you are slow af with all the added slowdowns, can't beat high wall loops, the snowball is still the slowest of all killers among other isses.

  • ShroompyShroompy Member Posts: 2,953

    If you think about it The Hag's lethality never changed, and people were playing her as I said before, setting all traps near the hook and then chasing as a 110% killer with no power. She definitely wasn't as strong back then, but people were saying that she was worst than Wraith

  • MoxieMoxie Member Posts: 551

    How can you compare their representation to the community without comparing powers? Killers are their power. Their powers are practically the only difference between Killers.

    His "Anti-looping" you are taking about is a joke. I don't know what rank you are, but throwing 8 knives over a hedge accurately while they loop you takes an incredibly long time compared to just running the loop with a normal speed Killer.

    Anything he can do, another Killer can do 4x better. It's true of every aspect of his kit, sadly.

  • ShroompyShroompy Member Posts: 2,953

    I'm not comparing Hag and Trickster in strength, I'm comparing how they were/are seen by the community

    And even when she was bad people still made her work, why can't it be the same with Trickster? Trickster does take skill when it comes to aiming, if you say otherwise then I guess Huntress or Deathslinger don't take skill either.

    Also I'll try to get footage tonight

  • TicTacTicTac Member Posts: 2,168

    But which advantage has trickster over the other killer? He gets a save hit on some small loops, same as deathslinger.

    Trickster deserves the amount of backlash. He is the worst killer and he has a power which is too situational. A 110% killer should have a power which helps him most of the time. The backlash is good, it gives him a better chance to receive a buff.

  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 9,393

    I’d actually agree there. I remember people calling twins completely terrible on release until people figured out how to play her.

    Though he does seem very reliant on add ons

  • KebekKebek Member Posts: 3,676

    Yes hag was seen as bad before her buffs but that's because she actually is hard to play properly, a lot.

    With trickster you don't have strategic, snowball, map & survivor pathing dependant, complex power, you only get knifes with like 4-5 slowdowns attatched to them that require 8 hits to do single damage. The only thing you can work on is your chase and you can't properly mindgame with this power as 1 hit from it does nothing so mindgaming wastes more time than it spares or just gives you M1 which at that point is bettter that hitting 8 knifes wasting time.

    As I said, even if by some miracle, you have perfect pathing, hit 100% of your knifes and don't get looped for ages in a high wall loop, trickster still does all of that slower and worse than huntress or deathslinger do. His only thing is that he's easier to pick up then them.

    I haven't seen a single game where trickster played versus good survivor team on equally favored map and didn't get completely owned in chase. He's got nothing threatening in his power and can be looper for millennials for a 110% killer.

  • SonzaishinaiSonzaishinai Member Posts: 6,180

    I think you don't know how shotguns work

  • loopsahoyloopsahoy Member Posts: 337

    The fact that he can only down when youre in front of him is worthless, not fun to play against, easily avoidable and counterable, and the machine gun part about trickster makes it MUCH harder to aim

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 11,977

    Maybe because her power wasn't really good in a chase or otherwise until it was buffed? >.>

  • FreudentraumaFreudentrauma Member Posts: 1,044

    Well that's funny because that's exacly what they are doing with Spirit. Ignoring the buff she got after release.^^

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 11,977

    Yep, that and this are what prompted me to make that remark.

  • STUVashSTUVash Member Posts: 25

    You're both right and wrong. The base power as it is right now with its many handicaps make him the worst.

    If you consider add-ons, some of the build you could make are able to do more damage than some other killers like Demogorgon. In this specific scenario he wouldn't be the worst but that's mostly because Demogorgon add-ons are not changing the game that much.

  • TragicSolitudeTragicSolitude Member Posts: 5,456

    Trickster's not the worst killer; I am.

    But in DbD's roster of killers, yeah, Trickster's the worst. He's got a ton of weakness but not a strong enough power to justify them.

  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 9,393

    Movement speed, Less hits required., richocet are all good not to mention more knives

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