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Why is it so hard for some people to grasp that Trickster doesn't NEED to "look like a killer"?



  • ShamelessPigMainShamelessPigMain Member Posts: 1,856
    edited April 2021

    Well, he does definitely seem like a killer. There's more to presentation than just physical appearance. Audio cues definitely play a huge role in setting atmosphere. What would Darth Vader be if he talked like James Charles?

    Plus, he has blood on him. There's no reason you should have that much blood on you unless you're a felon. And his lore is twice the story of Hag or Billy.

  • BrokenbonesBrokenbones Member Posts: 4,464

    I don't think his lore being longer than Hag's or Billy's makes it better by default

  • JasmineDragonJasmineDragon Member Posts: 372

    "You seeing PH as threatening is entirely subjective. Others can see Pyramid Head as non-threatening but see Trickster as unnerving and terrifying. It all comes down to personal taste in the end" No... inherently, a giant monster who has super human strength is inherently menacing. A kpop star or old man is not. Ive said nothing subjective this entire time, Im talking about genres and what makes them up. You can like whatever you like, that is subjective. But when I respond to every single thing you have to bring up, respectfully and in detail, and your only response is to try to find another angle or say "its subjective" to anything, then it feels like you just want to be right in an argument because you care about the character. There is no part of the character I dont personally like. Musicians can have great motivation, knife throwing is cool, the lore concept is really interesting. Its just not implemented in a thematically relevant way.

    But if we are at the point where you are trying to say that Pyramid head could be seen as non threatening or not menacing, then you really don't care about logic, youre too obsessed with being right. Personal taste has nothing to do with understanding the genres, the precedents, the theming, or even logic (8 foot tall metal man with sword vs frail old man is not a logical quandary). If we're done here, we're done here. But don't try defending this mess of a character if you are only doing so because you like him. At least don't try to say that its okay to shift the entire genre of the game to fit him without a single reason why...

  • JealousyJealousy Member Posts: 15
  • IrisoraIrisora Member Posts: 1,412

    He looks quite like a psychopath to me, especially with his p3 outfit. I'll definitely run from him.. I don't understand the ones that say he doesn't fit in dbd.

  • LynnMoonLynnMoon Member Posts: 8

    The other person is correct. It's all personal opinion to what someone thinks is scary. Just because YOU think it's scary or spoopy, doesn't mean it is.

    Pyramid Head was NEVER scary to me. He's my fave character in Silent Hill and I shrimp hard for my boi. But he's not scary. At all. YOU can think he's scary, but I don't. I think he's badass.

    As for Trickster, yeah he's pretty dang scary imo. Maybe cause I actually studied serial killers and how their minds work and etc. So a 'normal' guy that wants to do nothing more than torture you to death, is a lot more scary to me than a monster, that is fake and literally can't hurt me. But see, that's how opinions work. They're different! ;3

    Trickster's good. YOU don't have to like him, that's fine. There are plenty that find him scary and enjoy him in the game.

  • ItzZane_ItzZane_ Member Posts: 965

    I wish he had guts all over him tbh not just blood It would look so ######### sick

  • JasmineDragonJasmineDragon Member Posts: 372

    because at the end of the day, he just looks like a kpop musician. An edgier one maybe, but hes just a guy. The unusual parts about him are normal for a flashy kpop costume. Hes not an accountant dressed liek this.

    But ALL that aside, you can't see why someone wouldnt want an attractive, neon guy in a clashing outfit with blow dried hair, color contacts and lavender highlights as a killer?

  • unluckycombounluckycombo Member Posts: 582

    Stylistically, other people are right that Trickster isn't really grimey enough for the game. They did attempt to make him a little gross by adding the blood on him and some visible dirt on the jacket, but compared to the box character of Trapper or even an earlier Killer like Wraith, and he's just oddly clean.

    Tbh tho I don't mind this. I personally really like the take on the design- it fits really well with what it feels like they were aiming for, similar to how Legion doesn't really look scary, but fits with what they're supposed to be, and it's realistic enough to cause a suspension of belief for new players.

  • KellieKellie Member Posts: 1,328

    You don't need to have a dark, grimy, and unsettling attire to be a killer.

  • IrisoraIrisora Member Posts: 1,412

    For people that don't like persons who are different it may be out of place in the game. For me he fulfills every condition to be a killer in dbd..

    I think the ones that thinks this killer don't fit here are the same people that treated rockstars in the past as satanist and effeminate for leaving their hair long and using makeup. Sinceraly this thoughts needs to go away, its time to evolve since discrimination doesn't do any good to the world.

  • ShamelessPigMainShamelessPigMain Member Posts: 1,856

    Well it's not meant to. But lore and character are inextricable parts of a killer's aesthetic, and the much more romantic-esque close-up on the psyche of Asian Madonna but murderous is much more interesting than Little Red Riding Hood joins a cult.

  • JasmineDragonJasmineDragon Member Posts: 372

    what are you even trying to say,,, Im literally saying nothing about kpop, literally at all? Im just saying this is something a kpop artist would wear, because it is literally designed to be? The problem is he doesn't look like a killer, he literally just looks like a person dressed in an edgier kpop style. Thats not speaking poorly of kpop or anything related to it

  • BreadLordBreadLord Member Posts: 238

    In that case imagine the next paranormal movie to have a bright neon colorful hair ghost asking how your day is. Imagine the next silent hill movie with a pink hair feminists, imagine the next texas chainsaw massacre movie but hes just a chick with long pink hair and anime eyew

  • LynnMoonLynnMoon Member Posts: 8

    He doesn't look like a killer to you. *

    He does look like a killer to me. I think he fits perfectly fine in the game and I enjoy his design. I don't care for all the 'grimy' things and monsters all the time, it's nice that he's different.

  • JasmineDragonJasmineDragon Member Posts: 372

    Ive already gone into excessive detail explaining the differences in theming present here in another chain in this thread, Im not getting into this again.

    But then you must have an irrational fear of kpop stars, because this is legit just one of the edgier ones with a small amount of fake blood on his face and chest, something they already have done for aesthetic purposes. A bright, open outfit that exposes a lot of skin is inherently designed to be attractive and pleasant, by design. Its an inherent problem when you are trying to make something universally threatening on sight

  • ShinobuSKShinobuSK Member Posts: 4,696

    I just wanted him to wear a mask, since theres no reason for him not to wear one apart from fanservice

  • VolfawottVolfawott Member Posts: 3,893

    This argument is inherently stupid in itself.

    He fits almost all the themes of a killer from Dead by daylight his backstory his overall all audio and aesthetic fit into what the game is.

    I prefer you make a killer that works with the feeling that you're going for as opposed to just sticking in some random big demon creature that is brand as hell. Because it fits more

    Michael Myers is legitimately a lanky guy in a jumpsuit and a plain mask however what makes him feel like a good killer it's because it's blank his look is plain it fits into the theme of there being nothing there no emotion no real person behind it's just evil personified so the plain blank and assuming look fits in very well.

    The Legion is meant to fit into the mentality that anybody can be a killer and you wouldn't know. People who seem normal on the surface can possibly be hiding dark intentions within them all those dark intentions or those dark intentions can easily be grown and manifested by somebody.

    Legion looking close to normal survivors just with the masks that hide who they truly are really fit in with the character then normal teenagers Frank just turned them dark or darker than they already were.

    Aesthetically speaking trickster hits the theme of a Killer artist perfectly from his backstory to his design and as well as his audio and more.

    So yes he fits the theme of a dead by daylight killer if you're going to be super narrow-minded about it and complain that he doesn't fit because he know big monster then yeah but he definitely fit.

  • JasmineDragonJasmineDragon Member Posts: 372

    He doesnt fit because he isn't a slasher killer, hes psych horror. I went into this in super detail in this thread and I said Im not going into it again. If you want to see my point, its there in excruciating detail.

    I also need to say in regards to this "Aesthetically speaking trickster hits the theme of a Killer artist perfectly from his backstory to his design and as well as his audio and more."

    Lets talk about design then.

    He threw knives as a kid.

    He was a kpop star

    He lured people in and drugged them to then disembowel them

    He let his friends burn to death

    In game he looks like a Kpop star

    In game he throws knives

    So his power has nothing to do with his profession, his means of killing, his pertinent story, are all irrelevant to his in game power. Literally anyone can just tag on "they threw knives as a kid" and have the same effect.

    In life, he was a kpop star. His outfit resembles, nothing, it signifies nothing. Its literally just him, just dressed in his normal outfit.

    So you have a power unrelated to his identity entirely, and an outfit that, while striking, IS just a normal guy wearing his normal clothes with nothing special about them.

    He is objectively poorly designed from every thematic avenue.

  • DerpyPlayzDerpyPlayz Member Posts: 583

    Prolly because no one actually cares about a killer based on if they are in some pop band.

    I think this killer was introduced as a excuse for someone in the dev team to add some band artist or something they really like.

    In any case, I don't think I have heard anyone say this before. I am more focused on how bad his power is...

  • pseudechispseudechis Member Posts: 2,865

    I think its because its a poor concept. I just doesn't feel dark and gritty like the rest of DBD, its to bright and poppy.

    Why a K-pop star? I feels so "lets try and corner more asian gamer market" with the cartoon anime esq. intro etc etc. Its hammy and kinda poorly done.

    His aestheitc is jarring when compared to the rest of the aesthetic of the game. From the neon colorising to the sparkly glow daggers it all just doesn't fit.

    Even the clown's elephant suit has a kind of downtrodden sadness about it. Its almost sickeningly depressing in what a joke it all is and thus still kinda fits with the gritty nature of the game.

    No part of pink and purple glow bat with lip gloss says dark and gritty. Something has been lost.

    Even the menu music has gone from a subdued dark guitar to a synth drum beat that sounds like something a 10 year old would make on his laptop with a free online music maker.

    So from his jarring colorising, rediculous sounds and animations, and button mash gameplay he just feels out of place and incredibly underwhelming.

    Basically if the Trickster can be a DBD killer so can Spongbob square pants, Gumby and Pinochio.

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