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When is something going to be done about the cheating survivors?

I've noticed that almost every survivor player uses external tools to gain unfair competitive advantages. For example, Discord, TeamSpeak, console voice chats, etc. There is no voice chat in Dead by Daylight, which means that these tools are objectively cheating. Every survivor who uses them needs to be banned, permanently.

Inb4 "buh muh devs said-" nothing the devs say matters. Cheating is not defined by what Almo or some other clown says. Cheating is defined by what is possible in the unmodified game.

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  • notstarboardnotstarboard Member Posts: 3,702
    edited April 2021

    Voice chat is not cheating. It makes no sense for a game with a party system that's sold on platforms with built-in voice chat to disallow voice chat.

  • SnowMiserSnowMiser Member Posts: 39

    Oh, you found the hidden built-in voice chat option? No? Neat, it's still cheating, because you can't do it in the unmodified game.

  • GannTMGannTM Member Posts: 9,770

    Well it's a miserable experience not being able to communicate with teammates. Dying on first hook because no one knew who was doing what is a lovely time.

  • SnowMiserSnowMiser Member Posts: 39

    It's more fun than having a guaranteed win because you have perfect information.

  • Mert_MKMert_MK Member Posts: 674

    Never. Not like there is any need to.

    They even encourage it by having voice channels for SWF in their official Discord Server

    Next.

  • WiiFitTrainerWiiFitTrainer Member Posts: 788
    edited April 2021

    As soon as Microsoft and bhvr reach a deal that disables all other software from running at the same time as dbd.

  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,815

    Unless you're masochistic (like me) then pure solo que is just... like, what is someone going to do in the ten situations per trial where the really need to pass on info or everyone dies regardless of skill or effort? Solo Que is for the psycho's that have lost all sanity, not for people that want to actually try and escape.

  • ItooshieItooshie Member Posts: 174
    edited April 2021

    🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

    IMAGINE saying the devs they cant tell you what is or is not cheating in their own game.

    🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

  • bgbombbgbomb Member Posts: 434

    To be honest.

    What is the difference between voice chat and wall hack?

    They both gain advance by not in game program.

    And make some of their opponent play style totally meanless.

  • GannTMGannTM Member Posts: 9,770

    It’s really not a free win. I’ve been able to beat some decent teams on comms with Pig before.

  • Grandpa_Crack_PipeGrandpa_Crack_Pipe Member Posts: 3,126

    Cheating in this game is not determined by the developers of this game.

    Only me.

    I determine everything.

    It's my game. It's my game now, Almo. Hand me the keys.

  • SnowMiserSnowMiser Member Posts: 39
  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,815

    Say what now? Don't... Don't repair gens, save people, heal people, use any pallets, or even get into any chases?

  • EvanSnowWolfEvanSnowWolf Member Posts: 1,583


    Cheating is breaking the rules.


    Unless you can find where Behavior said this is NOT allowed, then no one is cheating.


    I will save you the trouble: they are cool with it.

  • KirkyladKirkylad Member Posts: 1,927

    Sounds like someone just got wrecked by a SWF team lmao.

  • SnowMiserSnowMiser Member Posts: 39

    I agree, cheating is breaking the rules. The rules of the game are defined not by developer fiat, but by the game's code. Tell me, where is the in-game voice chat? It doesn't exist. It is cheating.

  • FirelliusFirellius Member Posts: 2,308

    Dude, even with these 'cheats', survivors die way more often than they escape. The game isn't balanced for solo play.

  • SnowMiserSnowMiser Member Posts: 39

    Don't do those when it's not safe to, no. Learn to hide when the killer comes by and do gens when they're gone. If you get seen, you deserve to die.

  • JasixJasix Member Posts: 1,234

    Yes because Microsoft; who is in negotiations to buy Discord, will definitely want to upset their users by disabling the ability for them to use Discord in games. LOL.

    And BHVR has already stated numerous times that comms are allowed and not viewed as cheating.

    But you keep living in your fantasy world.

    FYI - I am a killer main and have NO issue with comms or SWFs - I actually prefer going against SWFs - makes the games more fun and more rewarding when I beat them :)

  • Another_LegionMainAnother_LegionMain Member Posts: 400

    Bait?

  • JasixJasix Member Posts: 1,234

    The trolls are out in force today. One got banned earlier which was hilarious. Hopefully BHVR will wake up and give people a frickin IGNORE/BLOCK feature on the forums so people who actually wanna discuss things can without the idiocy of the trolls.

  • MewMew Member Posts: 1,720

    please tell me this is satire,,,

  • EcstasyEcstasy Member Posts: 422
    edited April 2021

    I mean, objectively, it's not cheating. As you said, it's not prohibited, so it's not really cheating by definition. The developers have classified it as acceptable & encourage those players and playstyle.

    It does, however, clearly undermine the basic gameplay assumptions and conditions in ways that are materially significant still. Basically, yeah, it's pretty damn dense to pretend voice-communication doesn't fundamentally alter a game where you're normally can't even type a message to any other play saying that you need a rescue, stay on gen, trap right there, etc. or any of the potentially huge bits of information exchanged by players regularly in the most casual usage of voice-communication. Even those sorts of little things on their own attribute to the sort of mistakes and miscalculations that spiral out into major consequences for the survivor side.

    You can't really eliminate all the chaos and confusion the game depends upon and say its the same game. It is actually very similar to someone using perma-wallhack software in that way. Neither are an instant win, but its unbalanced information that dramatically alters their chances beyond what they should be and eliminates all the normal errors that would constitute normal gameplay.

    Really it's hard to ignore how VC has as much impact as most forms of cheating in most other arenas. It's all very much a steroids equivalent. They're forms of performance enhancement that render teams--of any given skill or starting level--that much better than they would be without it. Meanwhile the significance of that boost is largely a function of their own starting skill and effectiveness at utilizing the boost to its full capacity. It can basically be roid-raging "break this game in half!" boosting, or it can be "but i just need that littttttttttttle edge!" boosting, and everything in-between... which just calls itself the latter anyhow regardless of the edge. (This being the process of how people convince themselves cheating is acceptable in any iteration).


    Again though, that's all allowed and okay here. Unlike steroids or hacks.

    So what do you do about that contradiction?

    My clarified definition is "de-facto cheating", because, well, that's what you're left with. It's not cheating so far as the rules are concerned (that being differentiated as "de jure cheating"), however it's also something hard to look at--as a logical, objective person who understands the game mechanics--and end up concluding that the average match allowing VC would be roughly similar to that exact same match if it occurred without VC. There's an indisputable--and rather massive--edge fundamentally altering the sort of game and techniques you're up against.


    The phrasing "de-facto cheating" is a direct acknowledgement that it is indeed allowed, but a reminder that perhaps it shouldn't be--or at least that it should be incorporated and balanced. It's an acknowledgement of being within the rules, while also noting the function parallel steroids in baseball or wall-hacks in counter-strike.

    To propose another type of "de-facto cheating" example: I suppose it's along the lines of recognizing how it would still be still cheating in-effect regardless of whether Uno added some written rule into the game where as long as someone is getting up to pee (and only pee, not grab a beer or anything) and your name is Dan, then you can look at the other player's cards. Its like... okay, yeah official rule... but c'mon. That's not--you just can't say that's the same damn game. It doesn't vibe with its own essence and expression.

    The idea is similar here, except--instead of Dan bribing Uno Von Unomaker to add that rule--Dan is a bunch of streamers and cosmetic purchasers who also demand the capability of playing with friends (+the massive booster doing that with voice-coms adds). Thus, BHVR has their pupils turn into a bunch of spinning $$$ signs start in the style of a cartoon character while their tongues roll onto the ground like an unfurling carpet and they mutter "sure sure anything you betcha sure," and thus balance is born.

  • DerpyPlayzDerpyPlayz Member Posts: 583

    Well, depends on what you define as cheating.

    I would actually argue in your favor as cheating would be defined as "Any method or exploit in a game or out of a game, that offers a unfair advantage that is not directly intended nor supported by normal gameplay" imo.

    However, what could the devs do really? I mean, as a counter argument to this what do you think the developers would do? If the developers employed something to stop chat in discord, and even then if it did stop discord from allowing you to talk then what about if you are talking with people in discord and playing different games? Would you just no longer be able to talk until you stop playing DBD and if so that would be really annoying.

    One last counter argument is, in some sense the devs do actually support it as they have they're own DBD Discord server, and have a slot for a SWF in the Voice Chat section.

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