If you suicide on hook against facecampers you can't complain
Friendly_Blendette
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If you suicide on hook you are literally just giving the facecamper what they want are you are making them win so you have no right to complain.
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Why not? It’s a very unpleasant experience. I also have every right to complain.
I mean you made the facecamper win you literally helped them by suiciding. You are more annoying than the actual facecamper and have no right to complain about them facecamping when you made them win because of it. If they always win by facecamping cuase people suicide why would they ever stop.
When im being camped i just wait on the hook and struggle so my teammates can finish all of the gens
Agreed.
Oh, absolutely.
If you can't handle 2 minutes of waiting to help your teammates, then this game isn't for you. You have the right to complain, you don't have the right to handicap your team, that's just selfish.
I don’t want to waste my time on getting camped though.
Two WHOLE minutes.
I mean, suiciding against a facecamper isn't someone's tacit approval of facecamping.
Yea, they are actively hindering their team by suiciding, but they doesn't mean they aren't allowed to complain that facecamping isn't fun to go against.
This is like saying someone who throws away a gross sandwich they bought can't complain that the sandwich was gross. "You didn't eat the whole sandwich, you have no right to complain."
Now, complaining doesn't make BHVR/the sandwich shop obligated to respond to their complaints. It doesn't even mean the sandwich is unequivocally gross and needs changing.
But people are allowed to complain, civilly, about an aspect of the video game/sandwich that they find unenjoyable.
Especially on here.
Forums are intended for discourse. If people are breaking the rules they should get warned and then banned, if they aren't they should be free to say their piece.
Yes. Two minutes where I could be doing something productive actually.
If people didn't complain this forum would have no posts on it lol.
But honestly I just wish more solos actually understood the universal sign of waving your arms to show you're being camped so the others should just do gens.
To many times people still try and save. Plus you get solos doing it for no reason and then complaining that they got left on the hook to die by the team.
Like wait in survivor queue for 10+ minutes
Any kind of suiciding that has negative effect on your teammtes is really dick move to do.
It's more like buying a sandwich, telling your friend it was gross, then proceeding to buy 5 more sandwiches from the same guy each and every day.
If you suicide against camping killers, they don't learn that they're playing a style that's "bad" or "toxic" they learn that what they are doing works, because it leads to Survivors killing themselves before any gens can be done. That makes it much more likely that the killer will continue to play in the same way, because it is proven to be effective.
If however you stay in the game and give your team the time to make progress on the objectives, the killer loses and learns that the camping playstyle is unlikely to lead to killing more than one, and will abandon it.
Of course there will be some outliers, who just love the look of a body on a hook so much that nothing will make them give up their 1 person art show, but they are the minority of cases.
TL:DR Survivors teach killers which playstyles work based on their actions. Suiciding against camping killers rewards them and makes it more likely they will continue to camp.
Yeah but its like even though you dislike it you keep saying to the sandwich makers "good job keep it up let me buy another". I think people have every right to complain about facecamping if they stay in the game so your team can escape but if you are suiciding while getting facecamped then you dont have a valid point when you are the reason people facecamp.
If i get face camped early in the match then ######### him ill ######### you out of your points for face camping like a ######### im not here to get taunted by the killer
People are allowed to do that.
Yea, the theoretical sandwich buying person looks like a goofball for doing it, but looking like a goofball isn't bannable on these forums or a crime in most places.
I don't condone hook suicide against facecamping myself, but if someone does suicide and doesn't like facecamping, I think they should be free to explain their position. Afterwards you can then debate the point(s) they're making.
You're free to disagree with them, but I don't think their actions automatically invalidate any possible arguments they could make.
As long as my teammates are being productive I'll hang out on the hook while I'm camped. It's when they're not doing gens that I see no point in staying. There's always one player too that without BT tries to go for an unsafe unhook as soon as I enter second state getting one or both of us killed. If they get hooked they immediately suicide because they don't want to be camped next. 🙄
Its more than two minutes
Depends.
If the Team is doing Gens, I agree. But if the team is crouching next to the hook, thinking the Killer will go away after camping for 1 minute and 40 seconds, I think that suiciding against facecampers is more than valid. The Gens are not being worked on anyways and at least I dont have to see them crouching around, waiting for the Killer to leave.
If they're face camping they don't care about winning or blood points. Therefore hanging in there won't teach them anything.
I don't know why you bothered to comment that since it's blatantly wrong.
https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Hooks
Turn on Struggle Macro, watch YouTube, and help the team do better by doing so @[email protected]
And you're giving them a good reason to camp. The cycle continues.
That’s not the universal meaning anymore though? In all of my games, people will wave their arms to signal that nobody is going for the save. I haven’t seen somebody wave their arms to warn of camping in years. They normally either try to escape / die or they’ll do nothing at all.
Get a stopwatch and prove us wrong then. FFS...
People are allowed to do it but it still boggles me how they can complain about something that they are contributing too. You might aswell get an insiduos basement camping bubba to start complaining about facecamping.
The camping killer WANTS you to sacrifice yourself on the hook, so that they can stop camping you, and go camp someone else.
You are still helping your team while you struggle on the hook, you are occupying the killers time, and allowing the other survivors to complete the objective.
By killing yourself, you are ENABLING the killer in their camping strategy, and justifying their behaviour.
If you #########, the other survivors aren't going to blame the killer, they're going to blame you.
because mathematically, if the killer waits you out, and the survs are all on gens, the rest of them should get out for free at the cost of you sitting there
I don't suicide in order to punish the killer but at the same time why should you not suicide? Why do you care if the other people do gens? What does that give you?