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Potential fix for camping?

CrozCroz Member Posts: 41
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I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

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  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 10,985

    Define "camping".

  • only1biggsonly1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @Orion said:
    Define "camping".

    You know it well. Hook and sit next to them looking around a bit. If Wraith, try for basement and wait in corner cloaked. EZ

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,208

    @Orion said:
    Define "camping".

    He has a pretty clear idea what camping is.
    He wants rewards for strugglign on the hook while inside the terror radius.

    With this definition, "facecamping" a survivor with insidious is not camping.
    I love 3-post "fix camping" threads. THey are always thought-through and make me smile :wink:

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,208
    edited November 2018

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I think making looping phase more rewarding while being within a certain radius from the survivor should fix looping. If youre been looped and you follow the survivor, then you get enough emblem points as if the survivor didnt loop.

    This will encourage killers who are being looped to stay and waste the survivors time. Being looped is not fun and in most cases killers just camp after being looped when they realize that they have been looped for several gens and just wiat till the game is over and proceed with the next game.

    Btw, killers camp because survivors reward them for doing it and throwing each other at the hook instead of simply doing their objective, and yes thats an easy win if the survivors are stupid enough :wink:

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 10,985

    @Master said:

    @Orion said:
    Define "camping".

    He has a pretty clear idea what camping is.
    He wants rewards for strugglign on the hook while inside the terror radius.

    With this definition, "facecamping" a survivor with insidious is not camping.
    I love 3-post "fix camping" threads. THey are always thought-through and make me smile :wink:

    That's why I asked him to define "camping". Most people think anything that doesn't guarantee a free unhook is "camping", even if they can't admit it.

  • bendermacbendermac Member Posts: 377

    Best fix for camping: Stop trolling and teabagging. Be unrespectful and you get facecamped by me. Play fair and I leave you be

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 10,985

    @Croz said:

    @Master said:

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I think making looping phase more rewarding while being within a certain radius from the survivor should fix looping. If youre been looped and you follow the survivor, then you get enough emblem points as if the survivor didnt loop.

    This will encourage killers who are being looped to stay and waste the survivors time. Being looped is not fun and in most cases killers just camp after being looped when they realize that they have been looped for several gens and just wiat till the game is over and proceed with the next game.

    Btw, killers camp because survivors reward them for doing it and throwing each other at the hook instead of simply doing their objective, and yes thats an easy win if the survivors are stupid enough :wink:

    Well maybe you need to be smarter and know when and where to break chase if someone is looping you for a long time then it means you're just being hard headed about that particular survivor instead of trying to look for other survivors who are not being pressured and doing their objective freely.

    Not to mention they have nerfed looping to the ground with the vacuum changes and the fast window vaults angle. If you get looped for a long time then maybe you need to get better at the game.

    TL;DR: The Survivor should be able to put the Killer in a situation where they have no choice but to let them go.
    I think that says enough about you.

  • CrozCroz Member Posts: 41

    @Orion said:

    @Croz said:

    @Master said:

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I think making looping phase more rewarding while being within a certain radius from the survivor should fix looping. If youre been looped and you follow the survivor, then you get enough emblem points as if the survivor didnt loop.

    This will encourage killers who are being looped to stay and waste the survivors time. Being looped is not fun and in most cases killers just camp after being looped when they realize that they have been looped for several gens and just wiat till the game is over and proceed with the next game.

    Btw, killers camp because survivors reward them for doing it and throwing each other at the hook instead of simply doing their objective, and yes thats an easy win if the survivors are stupid enough :wink:

    Well maybe you need to be smarter and know when and where to break chase if someone is looping you for a long time then it means you're just being hard headed about that particular survivor instead of trying to look for other survivors who are not being pressured and doing their objective freely.

    Not to mention they have nerfed looping to the ground with the vacuum changes and the fast window vaults angle. If you get looped for a long time then maybe you need to get better at the game.

    TL;DR: The Survivor should be able to put the Killer in a situation where they have no choice but to let them go.
    I think that says enough about you.

    I don't think you follow the point really. The game is supposed to be fun. Killers who camp make the game dull. You're supposed to chase survivors and stop them from doing the objective. It's a 1v4 game not a 1v1. If your objective is to hook and camp one person until they die and ruin the game for them so the rest can escape or pray they do dumb shit trying to save their friend for you to get an easy win then I'm pretty sure it's safe to say you're doing it wrong.

    All I'm saying is that camping is part of the game indeed but make it less punishing on survivors cuz killers use it as a strategy to pull a cheap win most of the time. Also there is 3 hook stages for a reason. If you get outplayed and looped for 4 gens then that's on you bud. Better luck next game. Not to mention the game has gotten much easier for killers now. Oh yea I forgot the fact that you have 0 ping every game as well which is already an advantage. Oh and the wonderful hit-boxes where you can hit survivors while being stunned by a pallet somehow. It's only fair to ask for something to make the game more enjoyable for survivors since the devs have nerfed survivors for the past 6-7 patches straight and gave killers meta changing perks within the few last releases where we got meme perks as survivors.

    TL;DR: git gud.

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,208

    @Croz said:

    @Master said:

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I think making looping phase more rewarding while being within a certain radius from the survivor should fix looping. If youre been looped and you follow the survivor, then you get enough emblem points as if the survivor didnt loop.

    This will encourage killers who are being looped to stay and waste the survivors time. Being looped is not fun and in most cases killers just camp after being looped when they realize that they have been looped for several gens and just wiat till the game is over and proceed with the next game.

    Btw, killers camp because survivors reward them for doing it and throwing each other at the hook instead of simply doing their objective, and yes thats an easy win if the survivors are stupid enough :wink:

    Well maybe you need to be smarter and know when and where to break chase if someone is looping you for a long time then it means you're just being hard headed about that particular survivor instead of trying to look for other survivors who are not being pressured and doing their objective freely.

    Not to mention they have nerfed looping to the ground with the vacuum changes and the fast window vaults angle. If you get looped for a long time then maybe you need to get better at the game.

    So you suggest to not chase a specific survivor at all and search for someone that doesnt know how to loop?

  • MalakirMalakir Member Posts: 799
    Croz said:

    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    Killer get punished by doing genes and getting depipped. Also BT counters it

    Its your mates fault that make this strategy available I they don't do gens and swarm the hook

    Also yeah being camped isn't run but also look survivors pants ain't run either. If you think camping its an easy win you're delusional. 1 man kill makes no chad point no deviousness no emblems at all and de pip

    Just do gens and would be fine
  • AttackfrogAttackfrog Member Posts: 802
    Master said:

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I think making looping phase more rewarding while being within a certain radius from the survivor should fix looping. If youre been looped and you follow the survivor, then you get enough emblem points as if the survivor didnt loop.

    This will encourage killers who are being looped to stay and waste the survivors time. Being looped is not fun and in most cases killers just camp after being looped when they realize that they have been looped for several gens and just wiat till the game is over and proceed with the next game.

    Btw, killers camp because survivors reward them for doing it and throwing each other at the hook instead of simply doing their objective, and yes thats an easy win if the survivors are stupid enough :wink:

    Jeez..sometimes I read your comments and I feel like our brains think the same! I know that is probably an insult to you and a compliment to me....but...are you my long lost brother? Or....

    Maybe.....

    Daddy!?

    Anyway, I was about to type something very similar to your comment and saw this. Nuff said.
  • George_SorosGeorge_Soros Member Posts: 1,862

    I propose to keep one day of each week sacred, say, on Thursdays nobody is allowed to start a discussion about the following topics:

    • camping
    • tunneling
    • DS
    • NOED
      Anything else, including Shirtless Myers is okay.
  • KickUasSKickUasS Member Posts: 9
    edited November 2018

    Many time i think this game is mane "Bug and Camplight" .I’m so bored right now because i meet camp killer Almost every time. And now i look for a new game to play with my friends.

    Post edited by KickUasS on
  • akbays35akbays35 Member Posts: 829

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    easiest way to fix camping tunneling is a cooldown on when you can pick up a survivor that was just hooked. If you had to wait 30 seconds to pick up that downed survivor you might want to just go do something else really quick or chase the guy who unhooked him.

  • iceman2kxiceman2kx Member Posts: 460

    Am I the only one that likes de-pipping?

  • TheLegendDyl4n1TheLegendDyl4n1 Member Posts: 1,112

    @iceman2kx said:
    Am I the only one that likes de-pipping?

    it use to help but not at very high ranks like 13 and 14 its nothing but campers on xbox so YAYAYAYA

  • Doc_W__HOLLIDAYDoc_W__HOLLIDAY Member Posts: 1,336
    Croz said:

    @Orion said:

    @Croz said:

    @Master said:

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I think making looping phase more rewarding while being within a certain radius from the survivor should fix looping. If youre been looped and you follow the survivor, then you get enough emblem points as if the survivor didnt loop.

    This will encourage killers who are being looped to stay and waste the survivors time. Being looped is not fun and in most cases killers just camp after being looped when they realize that they have been looped for several gens and just wiat till the game is over and proceed with the next game.

    Btw, killers camp because survivors reward them for doing it and throwing each other at the hook instead of simply doing their objective, and yes thats an easy win if the survivors are stupid enough :wink:

    Well maybe you need to be smarter and know when and where to break chase if someone is looping you for a long time then it means you're just being hard headed about that particular survivor instead of trying to look for other survivors who are not being pressured and doing their objective freely.

    Not to mention they have nerfed looping to the ground with the vacuum changes and the fast window vaults angle. If you get looped for a long time then maybe you need to get better at the game.

    TL;DR: The Survivor should be able to put the Killer in a situation where they have no choice but to let them go.
    I think that says enough about you.

    I don't think you follow the point really. The game is supposed to be fun. Killers who camp make the game dull. You're supposed to chase survivors and stop them from doing the objective. It's a 1v4 game not a 1v1. If your objective is to hook and camp one person until they die and ruin the game for them so the rest can escape or pray they do dumb shit trying to save their friend for you to get an easy win then I'm pretty sure it's safe to say you're doing it wrong.

    All I'm saying is that camping is part of the game indeed but make it less punishing on survivors cuz killers use it as a strategy to pull a cheap win most of the time. Also there is 3 hook stages for a reason. If you get outplayed and looped for 4 gens then that's on you bud. Better luck next game. Not to mention the game has gotten much easier for killers now. Oh yea I forgot the fact that you have 0 ping every game as well which is already an advantage. Oh and the wonderful hit-boxes where you can hit survivors while being stunned by a pallet somehow. It's only fair to ask for something to make the game more enjoyable for survivors since the devs have nerfed survivors for the past 6-7 patches straight and gave killers meta changing perks within the few last releases where we got meme perks as survivors.

    TL;DR: git gud.

    Survivors only got meme perks? Deliverance is my new favorite perk. Secondly, are you really gonna tell me killer is easy and survivor is hard? The killers I faced last night would like to have a word with you.
  • Saint_UkraineSaint_Ukraine Member Posts: 939
    akbays35 said:

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killeir's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    easiest way to fix camping tunneling is a cooldown on when you can pick up a survivor that was just hooked. If you had to wait 30 seconds to pick up that downed survivor you might want to just go do something else really quick or chase the guy who unhooked him.

    Don't needa pick him up when you got that mori, boiii
  • Saint_UkraineSaint_Ukraine Member Posts: 939
    iceman2kx said:

    Am I the only one that likes de-pipping?

    Yes.
  • Saint_UkraineSaint_Ukraine Member Posts: 939
    Croz said:

    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I actually had an idea for a perk that might help counter face camps.

    Reckless

    Your eagerness to help others makes you reckless. Your unhooking speed is increased by 3/6/9 %.When rescuing a survivor from a hook, the hook will break. Inflicts the Exhaustion effect onto the rescuing survivor for 60 seconds. Reckless is not active when the survivor suffers from the Exhaustion effect.

    "They're not gonna be happy when they see this mess!"

  • The_CrusaderThe_Crusader Member Posts: 3,688
    bendermac said:

    Best fix for camping: Stop trolling and teabagging. Be unrespectful and you get facecamped by me. Play fair and I leave you be

    The people complaining about camping aren't the ones teabagging. We're talking killers who do it from the start because they're too lazy to play any other way.

    I find it's a lot of people going for the daily that do this. They have no experience or perks with the killer and DGAF so they just camp.
  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,208
    Attackfrog said:
    Master said:

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I think making looping phase more rewarding while being within a certain radius from the survivor should fix looping. If youre been looped and you follow the survivor, then you get enough emblem points as if the survivor didnt loop.

    This will encourage killers who are being looped to stay and waste the survivors time. Being looped is not fun and in most cases killers just camp after being looped when they realize that they have been looped for several gens and just wiat till the game is over and proceed with the next game.

    Btw, killers camp because survivors reward them for doing it and throwing each other at the hook instead of simply doing their objective, and yes thats an easy win if the survivors are stupid enough :wink:

    Jeez..sometimes I read your comments and I feel like our brains think the same! I know that is probably an insult to you and a compliment to me....but...are you my long lost brother? Or....

    Maybe.....

    Daddy!?

    Anyway, I was about to type something very similar to your comment and saw this. Nuff said.
    It's funny because you can do that in almost any camping/tunneling thread.
    Just exchange a few words and there we go, voila
     
    Sadly, the majority  of the community thinks that there are only problems on their side and that is what prevents a lot of potential fixes 
  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 10,208
    The_Crusader said:
    bendermac said:

    Best fix for camping: Stop trolling and teabagging. Be unrespectful and you get facecamped by me. Play fair and I leave you be

    The people complaining about camping aren't the ones teabagging. We're talking killers who do it from the start because they're too lazy to play any other way.

    I find it's a lot of people going for the daily that do this. They have no experience or perks with the killer and DGAF so they just camp.
    The_Crusader said:
    bendermac said:

    Best fix for camping: Stop trolling and teabagging. Be unrespectful and you get facecamped by me. Play fair and I leave you be

    The people complaining about camping aren't the ones teabagging. We're talking killers who do it from the start because they're too lazy to play any other way.

    I find it's a lot of people going for the daily that do this. They have no experience or perks with the killer and DGAF so they just camp.
    A single swf can ruin all other survivors games for a day by bullying a killer. Think about that 
  • Saint_UkraineSaint_Ukraine Member Posts: 939

    @Master said:
    Attackfrog said:


    Master said:

    @Croz said:

    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    I think making looping phase more rewarding while being within a certain radius from the survivor should fix looping. If youre been looped and you follow the survivor, then you get enough emblem points as if the survivor didnt loop.

    This will encourage killers who are being looped to stay and waste the survivors time. Being looped is not fun and in most cases killers just camp after being looped when they realize that they have been looped for several gens and just wiat till the game is over and proceed with the next game.

    Btw, killers camp because survivors reward them for doing it and throwing each other at the hook instead of simply doing their objective, and yes thats an easy win if the survivors are stupid enough :wink:

    Jeez..sometimes I read your comments and I feel like our brains think the same! I know that is probably an insult to you and a compliment to me....but...are you my long lost brother? Or....

    Maybe.....

    Daddy!?

    Anyway, I was about to type something very similar to your comment and saw this. Nuff said.

    It's funny because you can do that in almost any camping/tunneling thread.
    Just exchange a few words and there we go, voila
     
    Sadly, the majority  of the community thinks that there are only problems on their side and that is what prevents a lot of potential fixes 

    We all need to find common ground. Killers and survivors alike.

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 1,014

    Well, basically what you are asking for is, to make "playing bad" rewarding. I mean, everyone can get unlucky and be the first one found by the killer, hooked and then camped until the end. This can happen, but should not be the usual case. IF it becomes the usual case, said person is doing something wrong.

    Also, it would not "fix" camping at all. If you black pip or pip during struggle will not help with the insidious Leatherface in the corner or the cloaked Wraith around your hook (both versions of camping where your proposal would also not change anything).

    I mean, for me, struggling is fine. I have seen a Myers camping me at the hook while two Generators were done during that time. Or a Leatherface standing there, while my friend was looking for the hatch and was ready to escape. Both is fine to me, because in the end, the killer might end with 1 kill and nothing more.

  • CardgreyCardgrey Member Posts: 556

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    O.o

  • MrMyersMrMyers Member Posts: 43

    @Croz said:
    I think making struggle phase more rewarding while in the killer's terror radius should fix camping. As in if you're being camped and you get to the struggle phase you get enough point to black pip or if you had enough objective at some point it might be enough to pip.

    This will encourage survivors who are being camped to stay and waste the killer's time. Being camped is not fun and in most cases players just suicide on hook when they realize they're being camped to just go to the next game and that in my opinion is why some killers still do it looking for the one hook kills and easy wins.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511669206228533268/516304811411636224/brett.PNG

    I disagree. Killers get less blood points for camping, therefore making it a less viable option.

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