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SWF, its time we have a talk

Just gotta say, after thousands of matches where survivors all think they're good because they're on comms with their friends: you guys aren't as good as you think you are. Literally. Remove the comms, and then see what happens. Any game with a 4v1 will be extremely easy for the 4 if that 4 just happens to all be on comms. Trust me, after all the toxic ######### and teabagging I have put up with, you guys just think you're good. Stop being toxic and just play the damn game.



  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,815

    If you were to only go against unco-ordinated teams you'd quickly r alise why SWF and Comms is a good thing.

    That, or you're the kind of person that doesn't get bored of playing the same game over and over again on the easiest difficulty. Which is okay for single player titles, but not so much multiplayer ones.

  • th3th3 Member Posts: 1,717

    Literally when I swf we talk about stuff going on irl. Last game I played in a 4man we talked about how good cheese is compared to peanut butter with celery. Still didn't stop us from crushing the killer in a 4 man escape but hey rank 1 I thought comms made it or broke it in terms of balancing.

  • MrPsychMrPsych Member Posts: 128

    I play with friends on comms but most of us are in the double-digit ranks and suck. I also am a killer main and the last thing I'll ever do is smack talk or make fun of my fellow kin.

    Being on comms is no guarantee the person will act like an ass. Many solo players will do the same thing.

  • A_Skinny_LegendA_Skinny_Legend Member Posts: 877

    Knowing this community, take what people say as half truth/lie.

  • SwampofferingSwampoffering Member Posts: 384

    That is a question you should make yo SWF players, they are the ones Who plays the Game on easy mode :)

  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,815

    Not really, the significant majority of SWF players aren't full party genrushers. You face them in most of your trials and don't even notice.

  • sulaimansulaiman Member Posts: 2,841

    So none of you ever say "also, the killer is chasing me" or "finish the gens he is camping"?

    Because thats already a lot of information, and even if i was talking casually with my friends, those kind of infos were always passed on in our swf groups.

    And why is that? Explain it to me, please. Because as i see it, without swf and comms the game could be balanced properly around solo play. Now they try to balance it around solo and swf at the same time. I am really interessted why you think that is a good thing.


    So, you are mad because players decide to play with each other for fun? Well.....

    I'd say letting them do what the ######### they want because it's none of your business to criticize on why and how they play with friends, that's my suggestion.

  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,815

    Because solo teams are so inherently underpowered that playing solo que, your goal isn't to escape, because such a goal is extremely unrealistic. Solo teams simply cannot co-ordinate no matter how good each individual is. Wanting to go against solo's is wanting to go against the weakest players in the game by default, players that the game isn't even balanced around any more.

  • Friendly_BlendetteFriendly_Blendette Member Posts: 2,903

    Please inform them of some insult about their mother aswell

  • AneurysmAneurysm Member Posts: 5,271

    I think you're selling solo teams a bit short, some level of coordination is often possible and sometimes you'll do it well enough the killer will refuse to believe you're anything but a 4-man. Ofc you'll often get put with other survivors who throw whether they know that's what they're doing or not

    I'm not even completely convinced of comms being the all-deciding factor anymore, I've been duoing off-comms with a friend a lot recently and my escape rate has gone way up. Just having one person who'll do gens and not let you go to 2nd is a lot

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675
    edited May 2021

    I have no illusions that being on comms with my friend doesn't increase our effectiveness. However, SWF (or equivalent) is unavoidable in multiplayer games where you can form teams. Trying to shame people into not playing SWF isn't going to work. If you have suggestions on how SWF and solo survivors can be placed on equal standing, feel free to make them.

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  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,815

    I'm really, really not. I don't think a single team has beat me without at least two people on each others friends lists since long before crossplay was a thing and I could actually check all 4 survivors.

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 6,290


    No one is denying that SWF has a bit of an advantage over solo on comms. However, that picture you’ve shown is incorrect and n many levels.

    It assumes you have to “look” for peeps to work on a gen. Guess what? You are likely going to spawn next to someone, in fact I had that happen to me yesterday. A new with Prove Thyself kept following me to whatever gen I was working on. She didn’t need me to tell her where I was.

  • SwampofferingSwampoffering Member Posts: 384

    You are right, but most multiplayer games know that and they warn the rest of players in the lobby that they are facing groups, even games without It has external pages like OPGG on Lol and you can avoid them if you want.

    I can identify premades sometimes and Lobby Dodge, but not always.

    About how to place them equal, easy, two separate queues and they will see that SWF queues takes forever, why? Because is unbalanced as hell and maybe 10% of Killers Will join they queues by their own.

    Balance SWF or let us know we are facing them to make a choice. If they have 50 min queues because killers Dodge is not our problem, you decide to make groups, take the advantages and disadvantages.

  • ZroZro Member Posts: 58

    I played against chilled swf as well as sweaty, red rank groups. Mostly it comes down to fast gen rush though because they communicate together via Discord or something, also with the intention to finish the game quickly. For me, as a rank 11 killer with 80 hours of game time, it's frustrating and I've wasted 15 minutes of my free time. But I can understand that friends want to play together. It's just that many perks don't make sense anymore if you can use voice communication. But often it's just about rushing and screwing the killer.

    Yesterday I had to ran against four red swf players. All of them chose 100% BP as sacrifice and they were so tuned in that I had no chance. In addition, flashlights clicked and unnecessary blend when I was just running therefore. I then stayed out of it and left them alone so that they, at least, get no more BP through chase. But they chased me instead of making the last gen. And afterwards they apologized for being toxic, fy! I've never seen such a #########, unfun match.   

    But I also don't know what can be done about it, except finally improve the matchmaking. Maybe in swf the gens should take longer to repair, or perks should be disabled. Or you just have to live with it.

  • GoodBoyKaruGoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 21,137

    I don't think you really can talk about what they're doing since you seem to make quite a few mistakes when playing before blaming it all on swf

  • MagikazamMagikazam Member Posts: 182

    If you were to only go against perk less rank 20 trappers you'd quickly realize why 50k hours nurse and Spirit is a good thing.

    That or you the kind of person that doesn't get bored of playing the same game over and over again on the easiest difficulty that SWF provides

    Killer don't get to choose what kind of match they get in, SWF get to make it hard for killer each single game they go in. Any good game dev would have realised that long ago, ESPECIALLY in a game like this one where lack of communication is supposed to be the survivor team weakness

  • justbecausejustbecause Member Posts: 1,521
    edited May 2021

    Quit the crap you focus only on bully squads most swfs are just friends trying to have fun and are chill don't act like it's forbidden to not play this game with other people because y'all want an solo survs easy mode maybe keep practicing and stop being offended by the butt dance

  • ChiTenshiChiTenshi Member Posts: 877

    It’s supposed to represent different mind-sets people could have in-game. There are some players who bring Prove Thy Self and only work on gens that others are currently doing.

    It’s not assuming that all players won’t do a gen unless someone else is working on it. It’s giving an example of a mindset that can cause matches to flop.

  • ReverseVelocityReverseVelocity Member Posts: 1,711

    This guy is out here trying to speak to the CEO of SWF lmao

  • aurum_exeaurum_exe Member Posts: 180

    Yeah but isn't fun for the killer. Is he supposed to be swf survs entertainer?

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