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Why people hate Spirit while there is Nurse?

psionicpsionic Member Posts: 481

"Spirit has no counterplay"

"Easy 4k"


Man, Nurse ignores EVERYTHING, literally everything that there's in the game. She can spam 2 teleports every ######### 6 seconds.

She doesn't need perks nor addons, she can traverse the map, floors, pallets, windows, entire structures. She can cancel the second blink, she can lessen the distance looking to the floor, she can see 360º while blinking, she can do everything.

"But at least I have information of what she is doing"

Bullshit. You don't and it doesn't matter cause she has every single counterplay to your jukes.

The only thing you can do is break line of sight (then have 0 information of what she is doing) and PRAY that she "predicts" wrongly. But again, she have TWO blinks, can use the first to have sight of you and use the second to hit you.

0 counterplay.

But of course, people don't complain because there's only a dozen of Nurse players, the rest stops learning after so many toxicity that they are exposed by survivors.



  • Alice_pbgAlice_pbg Member Posts: 5,066

    You can cancel second blink?

  • Alice_pbgAlice_pbg Member Posts: 5,066

    So what you're saying is that I can go into fatigue...? well duh.

    That's not a cancel, that's just going into the regular animation from the first blink.

    Cancel would be charging the second blink, and attacking instead.

  • ShinobuSKShinobuSK Member Posts: 3,610

    I don't get it either, I hate playing against nurse and I don't really mind spirit. But also on my servers theres a ton of nurses in red ranks, while spirit game for me is once in a blue moon.

    People complain about things they hate and that are happening to them often I guess

  • psionicpsionic Member Posts: 481

    In theory it's not a cancel, in the practice it does. You can hold the second blink for as long as you want and you still will be able to blink anywhere in a range of 12m, it all depends of the angle of nurse's hand.

  • psionicpsionic Member Posts: 481

    "Easy" is a subjective therm.

    I've seen people spent 1 week playing Nurse and destroying competitive matches :)

  • Alice_pbgAlice_pbg Member Posts: 5,066
  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,815
    edited May 2021

    Nurse has a bigger learning curve. She's still pretty easy once you put in ten hours, but we're not supposed to say that so that people keep thinking she's super hard and don't play her.

  • Angelicus23Angelicus23 Member Posts: 2,508

    Because while nurse requires hard skill and gets punished for mistakes after using the power, spirit is the complete opposite plus survivors cant see the spirit coming

  • psionicpsionic Member Posts: 481


    Bigger learning curve because she is 100% power usage due to her weaker walking speed.

  • Midori_21Midori_21 Member Posts: 695

    Because when you go down to a Nurse, you typically think "This killer is pretty good." Because it's understood that Nurse is a very hard killer to learn and actually get strong with. But when you go down to a spirit who's just come out of phase, it feels like there wasn't anything you could've realistically done to stop it. It's just like "Well I guess I should've known exactly where she was and what she was doing without any way to know where she was or what she was doing. I guess I need to get more gooder at the game."

    And I don't know about you, but running around, changing your movement, breaking LOS and just generally playing differently than you would any other killer, is a lot more fun than just walking so as to not leave scratch marks, and all of a sudden going down to a spirit who just came out of phase, before you could even register what's happening.

    It's well known that the Nurse is a very hard killer to really get good with. But that's not the case with Spirit. You can play spirit without even using a headset, and just using speakers to listen to the game, and you can still easily stomp survivors. A headset just makes it even easier than it should be, and if you have stridor the survivors really won't be able to do anything.

    And Nurse does have counterplay actually. Breaking line of sight is the best thing you can do against Nurse. When the nurse has seen you, it will instantly become much harder for you to survive because of how her power works. And likewise, when the nurse loses sight of you, it instantly becomes harder for her to catch you, because she has to play a guessing game: which way will the survivor go next? And if she picks wrong, you'll get away and she'll get nothing.

    Here's how it goes: you go around a corner and instantly stop so you can see the nurse behind you but she can't see you, check if she's started charging her blinks, and if she has, wait a bit, and run the opposite direction from the way you turned. 8/10 times she won't get a hit on you there. Then later, change it up so that she doesn't get use to anything and your movement remains unpredictable.

  • Bonquiqui414Bonquiqui414 Member Posts: 221

    Los blockers is the best counterplay nurse has and it’s a reliable and a test to see how good the nurse player is. That’s why indoor maps besides midwich sucks for her, she can’t keep a good sight on the survivor and pretty much has to guess where they go. There’s also double backing and dead hard. Spirit just puts on her headphones and not much you can go. If you’re injured you’re screwed and it’s just really boring. Nurse is really fun to face imo

  • WishIcouldmainWishIcouldmain Member Posts: 3,861

    Nurse had her nerf and people are aware there's nothing can really be done with her considering when she was created. And I think it's a respect thing considering Nurse's skill cap compared to Spirit's. And at least from personal experience I've done better against a Nurse then Spirit.

  • RoboMojoRoboMojo Member Posts: 1,290

    I think the OP's point is more that Nurse is very rarely complained about even though she is stronger then Spirit and has less counter play then Spirit. For example, if you drop a god pallet against a Spirit, then she has to break it. They could be the best Spirit player on planet earth but they can't ignore everything the Survivors have, just most of what they have. However, Nurse doesn't give a damn about some silly little 'god pallet'. Indeed, a good Nurse can essentially just ignore pallets entirely. Maybe I'm weird here but personally, I don't think that a Killer being able to negate literally EVERY defence the other side has is healthy for the game. Not only does it make for boring gameplay, but it also makes for very imbalanced gameplay. A bad Nurse is really fun to face but a good Nurse? Absolute snooze-fest. It doesn't and shouldn't matter that Nurse is rarely played. I agree with you though. If they leave her as is, then she'll continue to stomp on literally everyone because of her inherent lack of counter play, or they nerf her and she ends up being gutted. Nurse can never and will never be balanced in her current state and as such, she must be reworked entirely.

    You're right, people are totally entitled to complain about Spirit, I do myself. However, from what I've seen, the anger is disproportionately focused on Spirit. Spirit is hated beyond measure yet whenever Nurse comes up, she is typically excused of her lack of counter play because she's 'hard to play'. Spirit is despised and Nurse is just given a free pass from this hate, even in spite of her obvious lack of counter play.

  • IamFranIamFran Member Posts: 1,028

    Because half of the nurses are not good and because spirit is easy to use, specially with good addons.

  • dragobvdragobv Member Posts: 301

    nurse has a big learning curve unlike spirit thats basicly have good headphones and stridor

  • Thr_ustThr_ust Member Posts: 410

    Two reasons. First is that nurse takes a lot more practice than spirit so if one kicks your ass it’s not just a case of the killer having a good headset. Second is that a good nurse is rather rare so games where you get multiple nurses in a row almost never happen where spirit is commonplace at red ranks.

  • NomiNomadNomiNomad Member Posts: 2,680

    That's a fair argument. I can understand where that argument is coming from, and I can agree with you. I think Nurse is unhealthy for the game. On the killer side, she's incredibly frustrating to play because of her bugs. On the Survivor side, a good one will stomp your team without even trying and a bad one is basically a free win. Like you already mentioned, her current power can't be changed much. Change it too little, nothing changes. Change it too much, she could easily become the worst killer in the game.

    I think people hate Spirit more because she is easier, and she can win just as little effort as Nurse can sometimes. Familiarity breeds contempt, and in my experience and alot of others Spirit is far more common than Nurse. There's also the fact that technically, you at least know when Nurse is blinking. Spirit doesn't give any such information.

  • SammiieK1991SammiieK1991 Member Posts: 686

    To be fair they're both equally a pain in the arse to go against.

    Have to say spirit is the worst one of the 2 if I'm honest. I've tried every single possible thing against her and even without bbq on she knows where I am. Il be fixing a gen and there she is just appearing outta nowhere. So I escape a chase move to another gen, oh there she is again 😂

    There is absolutely no counters against spirit. If anyone has one feel free to give me some tips! Nurse is so much easier to go against. I've escaped so many times, probably because she's easily nackered. Spirit is very persistent and it's consistently a chase with her. I hear her whine and I'm like yup this will be a quick match.

  • BwstedBwsted Member Posts: 2,687

    They're close in strength level. But Nurse gives feedback. Spirit doesn't. And the skill levels required to perform proficiently with them are worlds apart. Those are the general reasons.

  • DustinDustin Member Posts: 1,633
    edited May 2021

    Here's the issue with Nurse - You need to understand how she works mechanically to be able to reliably predict what she does. I main her and even I'll admit this. However if you have a basic understanding of Nurse at least you can counter and outplay her but all survivors need to be on the same wavelength or it's easy for Nurse to single out the weak links really quickly. I personally wouldn't change Nurse aside from nerfing any addons that buff her base power like charge time and such. I play her ONLY without addons and I feel this is the only way she is balanced. The reason so many people get destroyed by Nurse is because they either haven't seen one lately and it's basically relearning on how to verse the killer again or they've never played Nurse. If Nurse was more common everyone would realize you can outplay her granted it's difficult against good ones.

    Spirit is basically guesswork I don't even need to explain it.

    Main difference between the two though

    Nurse telegraphs her power - Spirit doesn't

    For those who don't know what that means

    "convey (an intentional or unconscious message), especially with facial expression or body language."

  • psionicpsionic Member Posts: 481

    I'm main Nurse too, with more than 20 thousand blink attacks and I do agree with everything that you said about Nurse.

    But I've being playing Spirit for the last two months consistently, I reached a peak that facing really good survivors is much more challenging than with Nurse. To begin with: windows and pallets do work against Spirit...

    There's A LOT of prediction with Spirit, it's not only "FolLoW tHe SoUnD", she is not a breainless killer that people likes to say everywhere.

    I definitely don't agree with the hate towards her.

  • TeabaggingGhostfaceTeabaggingGhostface Member Posts: 1,548

    All you need to play spirit with are good headphones

  • bibibib8bibibib8 Member Posts: 844

    What is this logic because nurse is harder shes ok that a stupid thing to balance around. I find clown to be easy 4k should he get nerf cause of that same with survivor for me survivor is easy should they nerf the survivor gameplay cause of that. The fact that a killer is harder or not should not matter in the buff and nerf its the only game i see they nerf character cause of that.

  • TheGannManTheGannMan Member Posts: 8,484

    Both are unbalanced but at least Nurse takes a lot of skill and I can respect the hell out of good Nurses even if they’re miserable to go against. This video explains it better than I can:


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