Yes I am complaining about a fairly strong killer with an add on that gives him wall hacks without any drawback. If you can’t see that then you are clearly biased.
I can definitely see it as an iri addon but I wouldn't nerf it. If you take a look at other killers like Plague and Oni, both of their survivor aura reading addons are iridescent as well.
There is no amount of getting better that will beat a killer that spams cloaking and uncloaking for free hits and kills. Silent bell, wall-hacking addons. It's gamebreaking.
I did a little experiment and played 50 wraith games all while at rank 1 and 2 before his buff and I ended with a 79.5 kill percentage. I wasn't using All Seeing but even then I felt it was an extremely strong add on. Using it now I feel unstoppable. Add bone clapper on with that and it is absolutely unfun to play against, even when running spine chill.
I've been playing around with some different builds. Right now I'm using bamboozle, enduring, spirit fury and whispers and running a shadow dance add on. It doesn't feel too OP and oppressive from a killer standpoint and if the survivors spread out and can loop, they can still do well.
I thought Wraith was strong before but if you bring all his best, tinkerer, ruin, pop/undying plus All Seeing or stack on Windstorms, I imagine he would feel just as oppressive as tinkerer, ruin, pop/undying Freddy does.
You get a hit, cloak. If they leave the loop you can cut them off with your speed. If they stay at it or beat you to the next one, you position yourself to be able to burst either side of it and I usually get them as they are vaulting or throwing the pallet. If they start to run as you uncloak, cancel and chase them down and get them in the open. If they have a flashlight, you can dance around to avoid the beam. Many times they move a little out of position trying to correct their aim and you end up being able to block their loop. You have to use his speed, you can't just uncloak, hit them and continue chase while uncloaked unless they don't have a resource to use.
I think this add-on needs a change, as well as silent bell. Either rework them or give them negative effects. Everything else about Wraith is fine though.
Just because a killer is weak in any way doesn't mean they should have access to braindead add-ons. Base-kit Wraith is fine.
The issue is that Wraith no longer needs to rely on add-ons, meaning he has freedom for whatever he wants. The issue was that he had to rely on Windstorm, and now that he doesn't need to, he can use both silent bell and all-seeing at the same time. See the problem?
When Wraith didn't get this update then yeah sure, the add-ons would be fine. But in this case, nah.
And yes, I'm afraid you are being rude. It's called passive-aggressiveness, in case you didn't know what that means.
Amazing how wraith is finally in a good spot and people go to target not even his best add-on. Literally he has quite a few build variations that do not use purple all seeing. It's frankly not as good as other combos like interact speed mixed with the snake add-on which turn wraith into a 1v1 monster.
Blood amber: Addon for the key that allows you to see killers through walls with no downsides.
But nah, Lets complain about a low tier killer having a single strong addon when survivors have plenty of perks and addons that are ridiculously strong with no downsides.
The common misconception from people outrageously replying to these threads is that wraith was a bad killer before the buffs.
While windstorm add-ons were quite useful back then, he was still a pretty solid killer, and by no means "weak", with his hit and run gameplay being suitable for the kind of power it had.
With his recent buffs, some add-ons are just too much and need to be toned down, period.
Anyway as for all seeing blood its quite memey and a bit situational but pretty strong if you build for it. I don't use it that much but when I do its always pretty fun even if its not as dynamic as the other add-ons
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Like normal. He can't hit you while cloaked, and he doesn't have the aura when uncloaked.
Wraiths gameplay doesn't care about looping. My point was that those add-ons need to be buffed, not all seeing needs a nerf. All seeing is fine.
Doesn't matter. Just because you can't do something doesn't mean something else should be nerfed as a consequence.
Yes I am complaining about a fairly strong killer with an add on that gives him wall hacks without any drawback. If you can’t see that then you are clearly biased.
Considering the growing amount of complaints about it, it'll probably change in a few months.
Wraith is still weak against good survivors my guy..
It's hands down only to help Wraith to counter the Immersed survivors that blend perfectly in the Grass.
All it boils down to is to just keep practicing looping and you'll see how bad Wraith is,
I can definitely see it as an iri addon but I wouldn't nerf it. If you take a look at other killers like Plague and Oni, both of their survivor aura reading addons are iridescent as well.
Wraith's addon shouldnt gain drawbacks, the other addons should have theirs removed/reduced.
There is no amount of getting better that will beat a killer that spams cloaking and uncloaking for free hits and kills. Silent bell, wall-hacking addons. It's gamebreaking.
I did a little experiment and played 50 wraith games all while at rank 1 and 2 before his buff and I ended with a 79.5 kill percentage. I wasn't using All Seeing but even then I felt it was an extremely strong add on. Using it now I feel unstoppable. Add bone clapper on with that and it is absolutely unfun to play against, even when running spine chill.
I've been playing around with some different builds. Right now I'm using bamboozle, enduring, spirit fury and whispers and running a shadow dance add on. It doesn't feel too OP and oppressive from a killer standpoint and if the survivors spread out and can loop, they can still do well.
I thought Wraith was strong before but if you bring all his best, tinkerer, ruin, pop/undying plus All Seeing or stack on Windstorms, I imagine he would feel just as oppressive as tinkerer, ruin, pop/undying Freddy does.
I play a lot of wraith. He is very strong in chase, especially if you are re-cloaking.
You get a hit, cloak. If they leave the loop you can cut them off with your speed. If they stay at it or beat you to the next one, you position yourself to be able to burst either side of it and I usually get them as they are vaulting or throwing the pallet. If they start to run as you uncloak, cancel and chase them down and get them in the open. If they have a flashlight, you can dance around to avoid the beam. Many times they move a little out of position trying to correct their aim and you end up being able to block their loop. You have to use his speed, you can't just uncloak, hit them and continue chase while uncloaked unless they don't have a resource to use.
I think this add-on needs a change, as well as silent bell. Either rework them or give them negative effects. Everything else about Wraith is fine though.
Just because a killer is weak in any way doesn't mean they should have access to braindead add-ons. Base-kit Wraith is fine.
The issue is that Wraith no longer needs to rely on add-ons, meaning he has freedom for whatever he wants. The issue was that he had to rely on Windstorm, and now that he doesn't need to, he can use both silent bell and all-seeing at the same time. See the problem?
When Wraith didn't get this update then yeah sure, the add-ons would be fine. But in this case, nah.
And yes, I'm afraid you are being rude. It's called passive-aggressiveness, in case you didn't know what that means.
Amazing how wraith is finally in a good spot and people go to target not even his best add-on. Literally he has quite a few build variations that do not use purple all seeing. It's frankly not as good as other combos like interact speed mixed with the snake add-on which turn wraith into a 1v1 monster.
I think we should stop nerfing fun addons.
This
Iron will: Strong perk with no downsides.
Blood amber: Addon for the key that allows you to see killers through walls with no downsides.
But nah, Lets complain about a low tier killer having a single strong addon when survivors have plenty of perks and addons that are ridiculously strong with no downsides.
It only is effective from 12m or closer.
So it definitely has a drawback compared to the 32m from scratch mirror.
You see wraith from 20m and closer so you have plenty of time to react and take action.
He still needs to uncloak, so if you aren't able to get to a pallet by then, than that is on you.
As a sort-of Wraith main I agree, with the speed he has now that addon is a bit overkill.
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He can't see you when looping? Cause you don't "loop" a cloaked wraith.
I don't like it, personally. It's just hand holds you and removes the survivor ability for stealth plays.
Basically it encourages looping but same people who claim to hate looping love it.
Imagine saying that Wraith is overpowered and getting votes. How bad do you have to play survivor?
The common misconception from people outrageously replying to these threads is that wraith was a bad killer before the buffs.
While windstorm add-ons were quite useful back then, he was still a pretty solid killer, and by no means "weak", with his hit and run gameplay being suitable for the kind of power it had.
With his recent buffs, some add-ons are just too much and need to be toned down, period.
I've literally never seen anyone complain about Blood Amber. Congratulations.
you are taking a known Forum troll seriously, ignore him
The fact this comes from a nurse main kills me despite it being a joke lol.
Define "No Drawback's" when 5% of his add-ons affect the bell and 95% of them only have an effect when he's cloaked?
In most games "wall hacks" are called cheats.
In DBD, you are told to "git gud"
Anyway as for all seeing blood its quite memey and a bit situational but pretty strong if you build for it. I don't use it that much but when I do its always pretty fun even if its not as dynamic as the other add-ons