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Could someone tell me why so many complaints about the nerf of Hillbilly?

TheBus4KTheBus4K Member Posts: 256
edited June 2021 in General Discussions

I just simply don't understand people who complain about the nerf they did to Hillbilly a long time ago.

He is a Killer with mobility of 4.6 m/s (or in other terms, 115% speed), he had a chainsaw that he could use it infinitely to move at high speed around the map (which makes him one of the best killers with mobility on the map), he could use it infinitely to oneshot survivors (which greatly shortens chases), he could use tricks like fast spin on some loops, etc.

He was a killer with many things and without any "but" that prevented her from using his power. That together with the instasaw addons made him one of the best killers in the game. 

And we are not talking about a giant change or giant nerfs as happened to the old Freddy, to the Hillbilly base kit they have only added an overheat that makes him unable to use his chainsaw infinitely. Otz putting Hillbilly on Tier C makes me think he's doing it for being "mad" at the nerf rather than Hillbilly's current state. He even said that Hillbilly before the nerf entered the top 3 of best killers.

My only complaint about the current Hillbilly would be its addons, which the vast majority (if not all) are crap.


TL;DR: Basically I would like someone to explain to me why, SUPPOSEDLY, Hillbilly has gone from being one of the best killers in the game to being a Tier C killer because of an overheat mechanic. I just don't get it.

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  • TheBus4KTheBus4K Member Posts: 256
    edited June 2021

    And simply by nerfing his addons and adding an overheat mechanic to his base kit he went from being one of the best killers to a Tier C killer? Tier C killer is basically being one of the worst killers. I just don't understand how that can happen.

    The problem is that even Hillbilly without the instasaw addons was incredible, for its infinite mobility, infinite oneshot ability, fast turns on loops, etc.

  • WeederickWeederick Member Posts: 1,065

    My guess is, he takes longer to learn now. When you start off, you want to chainsaw all the time just to see what works and then work from there. Probably feels a bit limiting on top of the usual punishment for missing chainsaws. Once the fun phase is over and you optimise your chainsaw usage, you'll cut most chainsaws and only go for backrevs, pallet mindgames and curves at tiles for the most part. Then overheat should stop beeing an issue. Another issue was the addon dependency of some players. There were a looot of instasaw users before the nerf and you just cant chainsaw all the time until you get lucky anymore with his basekit.

    His effort-reward ratio isn't as good anymore, but imo he is still as good as ever. He was great since release and the game only got easier for killers, so i assume it should favor billy who makes short work when pallets disappear. On the other hand, a good survivor can keep a good billy at bay and the average skill level has heavily increased over the years, so he naturally cant keep up at highranks anymore.

  • WishIcouldmainWishIcouldmain Member Posts: 3,583

    One his add-ons are now garbage so that still is a nerf. His animations became very sloppy making harder to keep track and follow survivors after a missed or successful hit and for less experienced Hillbillys it's an issue to get a hit.(But Shadowborne helps) The overheat willtimes deny you a possible down and at the end of the day overheat is you used your power which didn't ignore things like Nurse or curve around like Oni too much. From my experience toss on any overheat add-on and you'll never see it. The animations are too clunky and can be detrimental. Add-ons need a second pass but don't bring back Insta saw or crack Billy. (Mainly leafy mesh, yellow buckle, and the charge add-ons). Overheat although stupid I would be fine with it staying if they redo his add-ons and clean his animations.

  • TheBus4KTheBus4K Member Posts: 256

    Do not use the argument of "if it miss/bump into something, it has a cooldown!!!!", because a Hillbilly who knows how to play it's not going to miss/bump into something, so you cannot consider that a cooldown/limitation. One limitation is like the Huntress, no matter how good you are, at some point you will have to reload your axes.

    And well, the other nerfs you say were unknown to me.

    That's basically what I don't understand. Why does Hillbilly with such high mobility, a oneshot, fast spins and no cooldowns mean it's Tier B? I would understand that it wasn't Tier S, because the Nurse and the Spirit are at another level, but Tier B?

    Yes, not having instasaw addons have made Hillbilly worse, but that is the fault of the users, for getting used to playing a Hillbilly with instasaw. Hillbilly without instasaw was incredibly strong.

    And well, I don't know those "shadow nerfs", I don't know if they are real or just some excuse to argue that Hillbilly is now Tier C.

  • TheBus4KTheBus4K Member Posts: 256

    Try next time not to comment on my topics if you aren't going to contribute anything, your comment has simply been completely useless 😁.

    And answering your question, all the complaints I come across are simply saying that it was "balanced" before and that it just needed the addon nerfs.

  • Northener1907Northener1907 Member Posts: 3,012

    I think he nerfed because of Oni & Blight.

    Bill was free original killer but Oni & Blight are dlc and makes money.


    I really can not see any reason of him nerf. He needed some add-on nerfs. He was fun and he had good counterplay. So sad, i can not see Bill so much anymore.

  • CoalTowerCoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    It's not because the nerf was too hefty, but because it shouldn't have happened in the first place

  • gilgamergilgamer Member Posts: 1,658

    You also have to remember a lot of the weaker killers are getting buffed like wraith and leatherface so that would affect his placements as well. That being said I still think he's a good killer but not top tier like he used to be especially if you take how strong a killer is with their best addons billy just doesnt stand up as much as he used too.

  • TheBus4KTheBus4K Member Posts: 256

    Your arguments are the ones that have convinced me the most, but it's still not enough to put it in Tier C. That is, we are not talking that you have to be glued to a survivors for 10 seconds, you have to be glued for 2.5 seconds, I don't think something exaggerated, and reducing that time would seem excessive to me, it would basically be that the moment you start to load the chainsaw, you know you are going to hit the survivor 100% (like instasaw).

    Hillbilly may not be Tier A anymore, but Tier C just doesn't seem to be what it deserves.

    Guiding us by the Tier List that Otz made, Ghostface who is a Killer who has no mobility around the map and his oneshot ability needs to be "charged" (and then hurry to hit the survivor), turning him into a 100% M1 Killer, It's just as bad as Hillbilly, while Hillbilly has great mobility around the map and can oneshot a survivor without having to waste as much time as Ghostface. Because of this kind of thing, I don't understand.

    By the way, Tier B seems to me to be the most balanced tier, and I think Hillbilly is there 100%.

  • TheBus4KTheBus4K Member Posts: 256

    I'm telling you the same thing that I have said to Yamaoka, position Hillbilly next to Ghostface who in all aspects is inferior to Hillbilly, it seems excessive to me.

  • Devil_hit11Devil_hit11 Member Posts: 1,279

    he didn't go from S-tier to C-tier because of overheat. he went to S-tier to C-tier because he can't beat good players without instantsaw. he used those add-on to curve good players.

    Infinity instant down is worthless if you can't hit anyone. Infinity mobility is worthless if your not converting downs quickly to move from one chase to another in rapid succession.

    Its same Freddy and his slowdown add-on+Snare anti-loop. This game is balanced around generator regression/slowdown perks for killer and anti-loop because good survivors are able to complete in optimized time frame that makes nearly impossible for killers to ever have a chance to win. His add-on balanced the game-speed and most loops for killers are extremely unfair that killers need methods to cut a chase time of 2 minutes into something more manageable like 60 seconds.

    Negative killer changes only hurt good killer players because they siphon and heavily limit the killer's skill expression with that character. People that do not optimize their play with that killer will lose regardless of how powerful that character is because they were not using that character's kit to their full potential. DBD is the type of game where both sides rely on both sides to make mistakes but the faction that makes least to come out on top.

  • gilgamergilgamer Member Posts: 1,658

    Not saying I would place him there but I'm just saying that he has fallen in rankings because of weaker killers getting stronger as well as more strong killers being released and he has fallen in rank and I don't think its too much to say. People have absolutely gone a little too far in saying that he's now even in the bottom half of killers but I would argue he's not even in the top 10 or maybe taking that 10th spot

  • WazzupWazzup Member Posts: 88


    More or less this. Hillbilly WAS somewhat easy mode before the nerfs in terms of effort/results. Amazing mobility, instadown capability and anti-loop was a scary combination.

    The nerfs were so bad however that it is now the opposite - for the amount of effort needed you can main any top-rate killer apart from Nurse and do much better. A skilled player can be VERY deadly but the effort needed is much more than for other alternatives. So a small buff would seem fair.

  • gibblywibblywoogibblywibblywoo Member Posts: 3,773
    edited June 2021

    He has a lot of utility, yes. But he also has very basic counterplay. Windows? Power gone, M1 killer. Pallets? About as good as getting rid of them as Demo or Leather, doesn't outright invalidate them like a few killers.

    No add ons Billy was always kinda bad against good players. Insta saw needed to be removed as it was a complete joke but the Overheat mechanic and the hilariously bad add on rework was unnecessary.

    It just screams of the devs saying "See guys? We do still make changes!"

    He wasn't "incredible" unless you were against absolute potatoes.

  • Alice_pbgAlice_pbg Member Posts: 4,992

    Which are also the answers you are getting here.


    Seems like you created a useless discussion.

  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 8,614

    Tbf tuning guide and primer bulb were kinda OP.

    Otherwise though he was fine

  • CoalTowerCoalTower Member Posts: 1,730

    I meant his base. I've only seen a few people complain about his addon changes.

  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 8,614

    Oh fair enough. I only started maining him after his rework but I’d like to try his old version again at least base kit

  • Midori_21Midori_21 Member Posts: 644

    It goes without question that the instasaw addons needed to go. But the overheat mechanic was an unnecessary change. It doesn't matter if you can use your chainsaw forever if you can't convert that into a down. Also, everything that hillbilly does, other killers do better.

    Chainsaw downing - Leatherface

    Mobility - Blight

    Curving - Oni

    Which begs the question: Why would I play hillbilly when I could play one of these other killers who is more fun and reliable, less frustrating, with a better set of addons?

  • CoalTowerCoalTower Member Posts: 1,730
  • Hex_IgnoredHex_Ignored Member Posts: 647

    Weak bait; 2/10

  • AltarfAltarf Member Posts: 955
    edited June 2021

    Because playing the Hillbilly for one match against good survivors makes you realise that his chainsaw is NOT an easy instadown in a chase. Or even a widely useful one. It is countered by basic looping, windows, dropping pallets, most good tiles - unlike Bubba, it is very easy to avoid and not applicable in most situations, making Billy largely an M1 killer against smart survivors. He can be looped mostly the same as any other killer, and that's not what makes an A tier killer. Add-ons made his chainsaw much more lethal - whether fairly and skillfully, with the Engravings, or cheaply, with instasaw. But on its own, the Chainsaw is not a power where the downing potential is mostly in the killer's hands. Survivor have to make a considerable mistake to be hit by it, and Billy has to be ready to capitalise on it. This is simply not viable against better players.

    Against good survivors, old basekit Billy had high mobility and map pressure, but not a consistent instadowning power unless you brought Engravings or charge time, which made him an A tier killer. Now that both of those are no longer available, (charge time now makes you 4.4m/s, Engravings make you overheat after three revs) Hillbilly is significantly weaker. Map pressure and mobility alone does not make a killer good. They need to have a chase power.

    Look at Deathslinger. He has an incredible chase power, but suffers massively in the map pressure and mobility department, making him a mid tier killer. Billy has the opposite problem.

    And no, C tier does not mean "one of the worst killers", C tier means below average. D tier is what you're looking for, and unless they nerf him again Billy will never be D tier.

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