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  • Mister_HoldoutMister_Holdout Member Posts: 3,144

    At this point, the devs should just disable all the indoor maps. All of them are abysmal.

  • miketheratguymiketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719

    I've needed to say this about a dozen times now, somehow I feel like I'll need to say it a hundred more.

    Some people like this map. If you don't, cool. There are more than 30 other maps for you to enjoy. Playing on this map isn't going to give anyone cancer just because their personal favorite killer doesn't have an inherent advantage on it.

    How about we just combine all the maps into one medium-sized open field with no obstacles whatsoever? Would that make killer mains happy?

  • ManWithALemonManWithALemon Member Posts: 422

    The vast majority of people's opinions on this map are very negative. If the playerbase at large dislikes something, it's problematic.

    Who cares if there are other maps that aren't this bad? A bad map is a bad map.

  • miketheratguymiketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719

    I couldn't care less what the "vast majority" of opinions are on this map, as if anyone's actually even attempted to quantify such a claim. I like it. Other people like it. There are plenty of things in this game that I could also say the "vast majority" of players don't like (camping tunnelling, slugging, certain killers, etc). I guess that means that they need to be eliminated too?

    This is such an entitled community. "I hate having to adapt. I don't like this, remove it. This game was made specifically for me and my own preferred characters and playstyle, any map that doesn't accommodate that is bad and something needs to be done about it".

    I hate some maps too. I deal with it because that's life. Not everyone likes the same thing, not every map should be tailored to the same types of players. Not everyone wants to play the game the same way. That's the nature of this game. Yet any time there's a change that any individual happens not to like, the sky is falling, the bombs are dropping, the nukes have been launched, oh no, the world is coming to an end. It's tiresome.

    Once the new map has been out for a while people will only ever see it once every few days and they can go back to whining about anything and everything else that they deem to be unworthy.

  • TruffleTurtleTruffleTurtle Member Posts: 615

    I agree with this. I personally like this map. I haven't played killer on it tho and I see some issues but once people have had the chance to learn the map and know all the ins and outs I'm sure it won't be as bad. Also the opinions of people on the forums don't count as the vast majority of the playerbase because people who enjoy it are playing rather than coming here. There are also so many other platforms other than the forums

  • _VTK__VTK_ Member Posts: 227

    I wish there was an offering that would disable indoor maps for a trial, I would use it all the time.

  • QwQwQwQw Member Posts: 4,290

    Stop turning this into an Us vs Them argument.

    The majority of people on BOTH sides hate indoor maps, not just killer mains.

    They're boring as ######### because most killers don't have room to use their powers, and survivors have a hard time navigating and finding gens. Not to mention, most indoor maps are just a brain-dead hold W fest. They're just bleggghhh.

    It's fine if you like them, no one's saying it's not.

  • miketheratguymiketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719
    edited June 2021

    It IS an us versus them argument. I hardly ever see anyone but killer mains whining about the map, usually because their preferred killer doesn't have an inherent advantage or because killers that they don't even play will be "further obsolete", etc. In other words "I always want the advantage, I want all the maps to be suited to me and the way I prefer to play".

    At least I can admit that my own observations are anecdotal, which I hardly see anyone else doing. I'd love to see the New York Times article that published the poll regarding how "the majority" - this ominous, silent crowd of people that apparently has sway over anything that is added or removed from this game - has decreed that the map is JUST THE WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO MANKIND.

    So much ######### crying and hyperbole. I played the map multiple times during the PTB. It was fine. Not only could survivors find the gens, the killer won each game. But who cares, one map out of 36 is upsetting to THE MAJORITY. Let's delete it, as well as everything else THE MAJORITY doesn't approve of. And we all know that THE MAJORITY hates indoor maps, so naturally they've already spent weeks whining about this one. Yawn.

    It's fine that others don't like the map just as it's fine that I do. But I'm sick to death of people just throwing out de facto commands like "just delete all indoor maps". "Make this one smaller". "Change it". Or making a thousand threads about how many stupid pallets or windows there are. Big deal. Play the map, be upset at the loss of all that you hold dear, then when it's over move onto the other 97% of maps that aren't this one and breathe a sigh of relief that the most painful ordeal of one's life has ended. Meanwhile other people will enjoy it, but - as THE MAJORITY will be sure to point out, as they already have - those people shouldn't count because they're bad and the map is bad and we only want what we want.

  • ManWithALemonManWithALemon Member Posts: 422

    Both sides hate this map because of how awful it is to traverse. Survivors hate it for the weak pallets strewn about. Killers hate it for the god pallets strewn about.

    Most people hate the map. The outcry against this map has been the hugest since Midwich. It is not fun to play on. It needs to be changed.

  • miketheratguymiketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719

    My mistake, I thought I raised some cogent points. You have spoken, the map must be changed.

  • ManWithALemonManWithALemon Member Posts: 422

    Bad map design is bad map design. RPD is the worst map design since Haddonfield.

  • miketheratguymiketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719

    I thought Midwich was the worst map. Or wasn't it the game because "too many pallets"?

    I don't know. Again, I can't argue against empirical, quantified fact. Even if I could, it would be terribly selfish of me to enjoy something that the MAJORITY doesn't. RPD is horrible, most people from both sides hate it, you've decided that it's badly designed, I've come to realize that dissenting subjective opinions have no place against scientific evidence. I take back my arguments.

  • ManWithALemonManWithALemon Member Posts: 422

    It IS objectively badly designed. The loops are polarizing in their strength, the map is claustrophobic, traversal is sluggish, it encourages running forwards in a straight line—it is a bad map, whether or not you, member of the less-than-1-percent, "enjoy" playing on it.

  • miketheratguymiketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719

    Less than 1 percent? Shoot, I was just making up that thing about the New York Times poll. Since you've got a copy, would you consider sharing it? I'd be curious as to what else I and my fellow less than 1 percent incorrectly enjoy about this game.

    ...Actually nah, never mind. If it's already been established that I and anyone else who enjoys this map make up less than 1 percent of the game's fanbase - which by your comments it clearly has - I'm not really in the position to ask for anything. I'll just go off and continue to make bumbling false observations about the rampant entitlement of this community. I'm sorry to have wasted your time.

  • ManWithALemonManWithALemon Member Posts: 422

    You know what? At least you have the integrity to apologize.

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