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So Twins got shadow-nerfed. AGAIN.

ManWithALemonManWithALemon Member Posts: 422
edited July 2021 in General Discussions

Take a look at these three addon descriptions.

All three of these addons have two things in common.

  1. They only work while Victor is charging a pounce.
  2. Said requisite was NOT THERE BEFORE.

All three of these addons used to work when Victor was idle and you were controlling Charlotte. Now they've been changed so that they only work when Victor is charging a pounce.

This is a hard nerf to these addons that make them literally, genuinely, absolutely pointless. Soured Milk and Madeleine's Glove were really good because Victor's Killer Instinct was determined by the range of his shrieks, similar to Doctor's static blast—if a Survivor could hear Victor, Charlotte could see them. So louder Victor = more tracking. Now, though? The addons actively hurt Victor by making it harder to charge a long-range pounce without being heard, or making it more obvious he's charging a pounce mid-chase. As for Drop of Perfume? Already a low-tier addon, but now it truly serves no purpose. After all, what's the point of making Survivors Oblivious when you're PLAYING AS VICTOR?

These are stupid, senseless nerfs that completely gut three entire addons. And once again, it was a Twins change that BHVR did not, in ANY BLEEDING CAPACITY, mention or tell to anyone in any way. This is the fourth, count 'em, FOURTH shadow-change to Twins since 4.7.0 and the THIRD shadow-nerf.

I get people don't like playing against Twins, but I haven't seen a Killer get this surreptitiously changed in the entirety of DBD. Even when they nerfed Pig 37 separate times, they had the integrity to tell us it happened. This is just ridiculous.

EDIT: Cat's Eye also has a new description. It used to be "Victor's shrieks stop when Pounce is fully charged." Now the description says "After fully charging Pounce, Victor roams silently."

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  • bibibib8bibibib8 Member Posts: 844

    That bhrv for you they dont even know how to do a patch

  • TrickstaaaaaTrickstaaaaa Member Posts: 1,256


  • WiiFitTrainerWiiFitTrainer Member Posts: 788
    edited July 2021

    I never use those addons since there are much better ones, but it begs the question why would they nerf them to begin with?

  • AltarfAltarf Member Posts: 1,043

    I'd disagree, personally. Twins have more than one playstyle, and his method of applying as much map pressure as possible is much more fun for both sides than just getting everybody injured with Sloppy Butcher as Charlotte before mass slugging with Victor. Plus, mass slugging doesn't work that well if survivors have a brain and group up in pairs, or kick Victor after he downs someone.

    I don't know. I like playing Twins as a macro, big brain thinking killer rather than "injury woman and nae nae baby". Again, though, much like Plague they have multiple playstyles. I'll admit I slug if I have to, but I never go for anything higher than 3 man slugs unless the team has really annoyed me.

  • megswifeymegswifey Member Posts: 822

    Im gettin real tired of my babies being nerfed

  • AvilgusAvilgus Member Posts: 1,222

    In the same time, BHVR and transparency...

  • CrowmanCrowman Member Posts: 4,918

    Is it just a text change or did the effect of the addons actually get changed?

    We've had past instances of BHVR accidentally putting out text changes to addons before a killer got reworked. Also Franklin's got changed on RE chapters and the text for the perk wasn't changed immediately. BHVR is very bad at keeping text accurate.

  • ManWithALemonManWithALemon Member Posts: 422
    edited July 2021

    That's the thing. That whole "hit with Charlotte, down with Victor" thing that most Twins players do? Dowsey does that exact thing, only he just doesn't use Charlotte. I admit I don't tune into his streams frequently because I hate his personality and clickbait content, but when I see a Twins video of his pop into my YouTube feed, 99% of the time it's him instantly unbinding Victor when he finds someone and then flailing about uselessly as Charlotte waiting for Victor to come back when he either lands a pounce or misses it and gets kicked. It's so sad that people think THAT'S top-tier Twins gameplay. It's not only NOT top-tier Twins gameplay, it's actual bottom-of-the-barrel, I-don't-actually-understand-Twins gameplay.

    And regarding slugging not working, you said so yourself: Most Survivors don't know how to counter Victor, which means it works quite well most of the time.

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 5,870

    I think people not liking to play against the Twins is beside the point.

    This is ridiculous that they think there aren't players who are going to notice these nerfs.

  • glitchboiglitchboi Member Posts: 5,416

    I swear, BHVR hates these guys.

  • SeanzuSeanzu Member Posts: 7,112
    edited July 2021

    What even is the point of these addons anyway?

  • papichulopapichulo Member Posts: 271

    I just noticed this. However, the only add-ons I play are forest stew and Madeline's scarf. I am also a twins main and my kill ratio is very high. I dont seem to be bothered by this because all in all people dont understand twins and how they work only because she's are very rare killer. But, I do see your point.

  • DelsKibaraDelsKibara Member Posts: 3,127

    I feel like they're going the opposite direction to where add-ons needs to go.

    This is just Freddy's add-ons again. The options for good add-ons are becoming more and more limited for the killer.

  • ZeidoktorZeidoktor Member Posts: 1,286
    edited July 2021

    The question, to me, is what do these changes accomplish? The Drop of Perfume in particular.

    These effects benefit Charlotte, since I understand that Victor's grunts and screams are the area of effect for the Killer Instinct that you get while controlling Charlotte and it's only while controlling Charlotte you have a Terror Radiusto be Oblivious to, but the effects are only available when Victor is charging a pounce, which can only be done while controlling Victor.

    Are they possibly prepping to make Victor AI controlled like Nemesis' zombies? Or possibly giving the Twins co-op capability like @Steel_Eyed is suggesting?

    Not really on- topic but speaking for myself I've been wanting to try Twins more and am trying to find ways to play without over-relying on slugging, like using Victor more for slowdown or detection (the latter in particular is useful to me since tracking is a personal weak point)

  • BwstedBwsted Member Posts: 3,060

    Someone should test this to see if only the description was changed, or the actual effect as well.

    It's a weird change, because as it stands the new verions of the add-ons would do exactly nothing. Victor can't see killer's instinct. It might be that this is a an accidentally leaked add-on description for changes that will come to the Twins power as well.

  • Lord_TonyLord_Tony Member Posts: 2,109

    how the ######### would they work while he is in a pounce?

    That makes zero sense so you get a fraction of a second of increased killer instinct when you switch from victor to charlotte but only during a successful pounce?


  • ZeidoktorZeidoktor Member Posts: 1,286

    Right. The only way these work is if Victor is able to attack when you're not controlling him. That's why I'm wondering if they're thinking of giving Victor some AI capability. Or even both, where whichever twin you aren't controlling becomes a bot.

  • Lord_TonyLord_Tony Member Posts: 2,109

    Killer instinct does not trigger WHILE playing as victor so how are these add-ons even remotely useful now?

  • Lord_TonyLord_Tony Member Posts: 2,109
  • ZeidoktorZeidoktor Member Posts: 1,286

    Yes, but that would mean assuming the devs deserve more credit than they've been known for.

  • NMCKENMCKE Member Posts: 8,050

    Drop of Perfume is useless because what's the point of making surivors oblivious when Charlotte is Undetectable when idle? Devs please.

  • blue4zionblue4zion Member Posts: 2,423

    This makes me assume that they're actually getting a rework, why in gods name would you need oblivious on victor for current twins?

  • HollowsGriefHollowsGrief Member Posts: 1,497

    The most unfun killer in the game got another nerf? I don't see the problem here.

  • shiffpup2shiffpup2 Member Posts: 102

    Grateful for the changes, but not announcing the changes is #########

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