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Is the Pig really that bad?

I don't have the killer on my roster but she seems like a good killer. She has the Ambush power for the 1v1 aspect of the game and she's got traps for the 4v1 (like keeping survivors off of generators even when you're not around). She can also hide her terror radius. Yet, people still seem to put her on the bottom of their tier lists. I know she got a nerf to her power that disabled her traps if they were applied when all generators were already completed. What am I missing?

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  • tippy2k2tippy2k2 Member Posts: 2,194

    Hiding the terror radius doesn't really do you all that much good. Unless you KNOW where a survivor is, they're going to hear your terror radius before you start crouching because she is really slow when crouching. So you're generally not going to try to crouch everywhere to catch people by surprise since you go so slow (and this is assuming it's not negated by Spine Chill, warning them you're coming anyway).

    The traps rarely kill anyone unless they are new (and therefore aren't all that sure how to deal with them) or you just tunnel the hell out of the poor bastard trying to get their crown off.

    Like a lot of the lower level tier killers, you can certainly get kills with her but there are plenty of other killers who do those things but better. If you killed someone with her, you almost certainly would have killed them with someone else but faster.

  • glitchboiglitchboi Member Posts: 5,331
    edited July 2021

    I've seen people do some really cool ambush plays in particular loops. Unfortunately she suffers from the inability to counter W meta. However, she has decent chase potential and the best slowdown ability in the game. I would put her higher than the lower tier killers in the game.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 11,365
    edited July 2021

    My issues with her:

    Ambush - It's SUUUPER situational, usually only works on pallets that are not very strong to begin with, requires the Survivor to make a mistake to get hit, and is largely beaten by just dropping the pallet early

    Traps - Good players can just continue working on gens until their timer starts, and how long it stalls that player out for you is a complete roll of the die. Sometimes you get good stall, sometimes you get bad stall.

    Stealth - She is very slow when crouched and requires two different perks just to mitigate that weakness (Whispers and Monitor & Abuse)

    To put it simply, though she has tools for many different situations, none of them are actually consistently GOOD at those situations.

  • DBD78DBD78 Member Posts: 2,536

    Trickster and Trapper might be worse but Pig is really bad.

  • Chaotic_RiddleChaotic_Riddle Member Posts: 1,949

    She just underperforms compared to the rest of the cast. She doesn't feel entirely fun to play and most of her playstyle encourages to tunnel the person you generally trap. She's one of those Killers that should get, at the very least, a mini-rework to have her kit be more healthy and fun for the game.

  • edgarpoopedgarpoop Member Posts: 4,161

    Pig kind of comes down to the survivor's skill. It's just the nature of M1 killers, unfortunately. I know what her kill rate is...but most survivors are pretty bad. The ambush is situational and completely countered by pre-throwing most pallets. Head trap value will vary.

  • TAGTAG Member Posts: 11,365

    "most of her playstyle encourages to tunnel the person you generally trap"


    This part I don't really get. There is no real benefit to tunneling the Trapped person vs. tunneling someone who isn't Trapped. You are just squandering your stall potential. The only things that encourages that are some of her add-ons that inflict penalties to Trapped Survivors.

  • chargernick85chargernick85 Member Posts: 2,810
    edited July 2021

    My favorite killer in the game. Yes it's true what most people are saying but if you want to be great with her you can. I personally can kill faster/easier with her than most killers but I main her and understand what she can/can't do. The traps help buy you some time in those closer games I personally could care less if they die from the trap I just want them doing something other than repairing. You can be good with any killer just some require more time than others.

  • KingFrostKingFrost Member Posts: 3,014

    Pig lacks anti-loop, and her slowdown is extremely RNG based. Do you know how many times I've seen survivors get their traps off in less than 30 seconds after being unhooked? This makes her slowdown inconsistent. In loops, there's not much she has going for her other than the ambush dash, which is only really good at small loops, and even then good survivors know to just run away. She loses the biggest aspect of her ability once you reach end-game, and even if a survivor has an active trap on at that time, they can still leave through the hatch. She's easily one of the weakest killers in the game, despite having a pretty strong (if inconsistent) 1v4. Also, her slowdown requires her to get downs in the first place, which she has little help in actually doing.

  • OtakaChanOtakaChan Member Posts: 133

    What would be cool for the jigsaw boxes would be if you had to press a button that appeared instead of a skill check. It would cause anticipation and you would get more interaction and value out of it. Another idea is having to go to all the boxes in order to get pieces for a key to unlock the helmet before the timer runs out. And making it base where the jigsaw boxes cant be Interacted with until your helmet is activated by a gen being completed. Just my two cents.

  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 3,532
    edited July 2021

    Maybe her abilities are not particularly strong by themselves, but sum them up and they make a good killer, kind of a jack-of-all-trades who's very adaptable to various situations.

  • meatisadelicacymeatisadelicacy Member Posts: 1,854

    I don't think she's as bad as people say, it just seems like a lot of killers play her wrong. Almost every game I play against Pig, she tunnels the person with the trap.

  • Hektic3000Hektic3000 Member Posts: 631

    Pig isn't that great, there's no reason I would take her over other stealth killers. Sure a good player can make use of her kit and win but since they're a good player they can make anything work. For the average player I don't think she brings that much to the table that other killers can't do better.

  • ATOMIC_ACE_PUGGATOMIC_ACE_PUGG Member Posts: 303

    She's suffers the same problem a lot of killers have. It's like trying to keep everyone off the generators with a stick while if you do eventually catch them you can put a trap on them based on luck if they get it off or not. People like fast teleporting and insta down killers for a reason but she can still be strong

  • HybridLPangel26HybridLPangel26 Member Posts: 111

    not a fan of pig or saw but i tried the pig its not bad though i'm still learning with her traps,etc. but her weapon is good.

  • Edgars_RavenEdgars_Raven Member Posts: 1,236

    I got to rank 5 with her using no perks or add ons, then hit a giant wall where she could no longer keep up with the pace of the match. Im a decent killer, certainly not as good as some but better than most.

    Pigs problem is her traps are to rng related and her stealth slows her down to much. Her ambush attack is only good in loops against bad survivors. So mediocre traps, bad stealth, bad antiloop. These things exist so theyre better than nothing, and she will demolish survivors that dont know how to vs pig, but once you hit a certain point shes just not good.

    But she is fun. Shes a lot of fun as killer, and most people dont hate versing her because her power is interactive. You shoukd definetely get her if you want to. Just know you have to be ruthless once you get to reds with her

  • Edgars_RavenEdgars_Raven Member Posts: 1,236

    I hate corrupt and ruin, though im starting to see the value of CI on her more. I usually go with thrilling, pop, surge and...brutal? Enduring? Cant remember now what my fourth is. But yeah bamboozle is obviously a great perk. I can run her at r1 and do fine, i dont sleep on her lije some. Just saying why shes lower on tier lists

  • ThiccBudhhaThiccBudhha Member Posts: 4,344

    I feel like she is almost overrated. The trap timer is way too long relative to how fast they can remove it. Her "slowdown" is negligible.

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