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Should PC be removed from crossplay? Rant.



  • TacitusKilgoreTacitusKilgore Member Posts: 1,382

    The entire point of crossplay is to bridge the gap between console and PC.

  • CrowmanCrowman Member Posts: 3,586

    If you don't want to play against or with people from a certain console, just turn off crossplay.

    The whole point of crossplay is to combine every playbase from every console. Wanting to exclude certain consoles from crossplay goes against that.

  • PulsarPulsar Member Posts: 10,541

    Then fix the game.

    A small difference is fine. The amount of ######### Console players have dealt with is unacceptable and completely unfair.

  • PulsarPulsar Member Posts: 10,541
    edited July 2021

    Then fix the game.

    I shouldn't be at an enormous disadvantage for daring to not play on PC.

    Console players have always been treated as second-class.

  • KaliniktaKalinikta Member Posts: 553

    I am not the developers, I am not against them fixing their product. Yet that is not a problem with crossplay. Or are you claiming Switch versus PS5 is anywhere equivalent?

    Console players have it bad, but don't act like each console is identical or what not. Don't want to deal with differences... opt out. Cherry picking so you can choose everyone that has it worse than you to avoid others that have it better than you is selfish and egotistical boosting of your own playerbase at the expense of others and not a solution.

    Crossplay is to bridge the community and play together, not a means to boost your selfish needs.

  • NebulaNebula Member Posts: 452

    Pulsar is not selfish at all for saying that he doesn’t want to play against PC players when cross play is enabled, only against similar consoles such as PS4 (and to my knowledge he plays on an Xbox One). What is so selfish about being able to play with your friends on separate consoles but not put yourself at an inherent disadvantage by playing against players with 100 more FPS and minimal stutter/lag?

    Theres nothing “elitist” about this at all. People just want to have fun with what they’re given, not be at a disadvantage by not being able to afford a $2000 PC.

    Console has always been treated as the little brother in this community, and always will be.

  • CrowmanCrowman Member Posts: 3,586

    Because crossplay is all or nothing. Wanting to exclude people from an inclusive thing is selfish.

  • NebulaNebula Member Posts: 452

    I’m sorry but I don’t really understand this argument. Many games that have cross play exclude PC due to their performance and control advantage over consoles, and I’d say that the former is extremely prevalent in this game.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675

    They can try to fix the performance, but no amount of optimization is going to remove the inherent advantages of mouse & keyboard vs. gamepad. Each system has its pros and cons, but in this game, mouse & keyboard's advantages make them the better control system.

  • OkapiOkapi Member Posts: 839

    Xbox Series S/X and PS5 players are having a significantly better experience than low end PC players you know? The game isn't optimized on PC. The limited graphic settings help mitigate the poor code, but only so much.

  • PulsarPulsar Member Posts: 10,541

    True, but here's how I see it.

    DBD isn't a super mechanically intense game. There are some things you can't do with a controller, but for the most part, it's the same. There are some Killers that are better, and some that are worse. The mechanical advantage you gain from M&K is there, but it isn't like a game like Overwatch where the difference is overwhelming.

    Likewise, performance isn't everything. Having lower FPS and some stuttering is rough, but you can learn to play around it.

    It's when both of this issues are combined that it becomes completely unfair. I can learn to play with 25 FPS, but I can't be playing against people who are getting 90 FPS and have a mechanical advantage over me.

  • meatisadelicacymeatisadelicacy Member Posts: 1,854

    It seems like crossplay between PC and console always helps PC players. And in DBD, they got an extended event, extra shards and BP, because the game is broken on console. That makes sense.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675

    If crossplay were restricted to just the platform you were on, you'd have to wait a lot longer to get a trial. Note that "console" is not a single platform, it's a term to describe a whole bunch of platforms.

    Console players got those things too, and if the regular comments on the forum are anything to go by, console players are still playing the game.

  • meatisadelicacymeatisadelicacy Member Posts: 1,854

    Thank you for letting me know what "console" means! I'm too stupid to understand and I definitely asked you to explain it to me like I'm a particularly dim child. I'm aware that the game being crossplay helps with queue times, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't also give PC players the advantage, along with also giving them improved queue times as well. I don't see how your point about console players still playing this dogshit game has anything to do with the advantages PC players have against console players across most games, DBD included.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 21,675

    Thank you for letting me know what "console" means! I'm too stupid to understand and I definitely asked you to explain it to me like I'm a particularly dim child.

    That's not what I did, but alright. It's just that you said crossplay is between "console and PC", when in fact it's between multiple systems and stores, some of which are on PC, and others are on the various consoles that have DbD.

    I'm aware that the game being crossplay helps with queue times, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't also give PC players the advantage, along with also giving them improved queue times as well.

    The main thing that gives PC players an advantage is the better control system. Performance is obviously also an issue, but even when that's fixed, PC players using a keyboard and mouse will still have the upper hand due to controllers being worse for DbD.

    I don't see how your point about console players still playing this dogshit game has anything to do with the advantages PC players have against console players across most games, DBD included.

    It doesn't, it was in reference to you saying that "PC players" are the ones who got the event extended, more BP, etc., like those things weren't given to the entire playerbase.

  • syainsyain Member Posts: 267

    Please remove us. I disliked playing with consoles from the beginning, now that they're teleporting everywhere it's even worse. Can't turn crossplay off either because there are no South American servers so I have to choose between others being laggy or me being laggy.

  • JPLongstreetJPLongstreet Member Posts: 2,510

    Your ratios seem sound to me. I firmly believe if the RE chapter hadn't nuked us consolers so badly and the event went off flawlessly that the various PlayStations would have surpassed the PC total by now.

    We Xboxers are lagging way behind fam... no pun intended.

  • JPLongstreetJPLongstreet Member Posts: 2,510

    As to the adding of m&k support, it ain't ever coming to console. The reasons given were it would take way too long, be way too much work, and also require a UI overhaul as well.

  • JPLongstreetJPLongstreet Member Posts: 2,510
    edited July 2021

    I wonder if you would still feel the same if you played some killer on a PS4 or whatever. Maybe Demo or Dr on Lery's to start with. Wanna borrow my Xbox and experiment some?

  • crixus006crixus006 Member Posts: 370

    No, i love yo play vs PC players.

  • ZozzyZozzy Member Posts: 3,616

    They exclude pc because they are shooters and that is the only place pc has an advantage. There is zero difference between a pc survivor and a console survivor, infact there are many people that use a controller to play this game on pc fyi.

    The only difference is with killer and they are heavily disadvantaged on console. ranged killers are useless with the fps issue and freedom of movement offered to survivors. while normal killers are hampered by analog controls (pc can strafe and have full forward momentum while controller can only strafe or walk forward) and the forced auto aim causing them to miss from the simplest of wiggles.

    I had this game on ps4 before crossplay and there were almost zero killer players.

  • MrSmashemMrSmashem Member Posts: 161

    I mean, PC has very marginal advantages over console users in this game. If anything, they are a bit better with Killers like Huntress or Deathslinger(or Nurse), and probably track a bit better, but on the Survivor side, they've got nothing. I have absolutely no issue with PC users as a Console player.

    In terms of stretched res and brightness, I think that stuff is uncommon enough that I don't mind, along with hacks; and PC players have to deal with that stuff anyways, so it is what it is. That stuff should just be fixed in general. Bought accounts are completely irrelevant. I don't know what that has to do with anything. Perks don't make you good at the game and most games have full tier 3 builds, anyways. Who cares?

    The one thing I think Consoles need(besides proper performance), is sensitivity/control settings. The deadzone in this game is obnoxious and sensitivity could use work too. Modern Warfare and some other games offer enough options, I can turn aim-assist off and make shots. A mouse and keyboard would be better for aiming, but I can do pretty well with a controller, given the right settings. That's what this game needs, to help out console Killers and really bridge the remaining gap.

  • umadumad Member Posts: 57

    The only real advantage PC has over console is the fact that console DBD is a lag ridden POS right now. Every chase i get into ends with me lagging into a wall and getting downed. They might have an advantage with a killer like Huntress, but so what, just play around it.

  • KaliniktaKalinikta Member Posts: 553

    Microsoft has official support for it, so for the Xbox it is simply adding the API. The same is true for PS. The switch would be the most difficult as far as I am aware they don't have any support for it in their tools. Therefore no it actually for most of them is some work, but not something actually difficult for most of the consoles... they even already have mappings of what should control what due to PC. The statement it is hard is outdated as Sony and Microsoft have both released API tools to developers in the last couple of years.

    As for an UI overhaul? Euhm you realize that PC has the UI already, it is literally already created.

  • TunnelVisionTunnelVision Member Posts: 1,259

    I'd like to keep crossplay on for console but have the option to stop matching with PC players.

    It's just two different breeds of DBD.

  • KaliniktaKalinikta Member Posts: 553

    Opt out then, you are selfish because you want to pick and choose who you play with. Not everyone has a 2k machine, you act like every human that owns a PC has a top of the line machine. I bet you and Pulsar have a PC use that if it so apparant.

    It is always funny, consoles are some what equal you say... new gen doubles the FPS. All PCs are monsters that run at 100 FPS because you know Laptops, low end devices etc. Are not a thing yet you want to exclude them as well.

    You have an option if you don't want to play in the spirit of crossplay! Opt out and play with identical machines as your own. There is no need to negatively impact others because you want to tell them they are not welcome in your game, selfish!

  • MadLordJackMadLordJack Member Posts: 8,816
    edited July 2021

    It is truly depressing the sheer amount of console players that think "PC" and "rich" are synonymous. Most PC players don't have the godlike performance of streamers - in fact, current-gen consoles have better performance than your average PC.

    But no, PC = bad, console = good. 2009 = current year, apparently.

    Edit: Also, PC is much cheaper than console gaming and has been for quite a while. So... Yeah.

  • burt0rburt0r Member Posts: 1,881
    edited July 2021

    Ah yes sorry the second class with a whole range of system exclusive Titels like horizon zero dawn, blood Bourne, GTA V and others that took several years to be ported or not and even then sometimes with horrendous optimization in terms of visuals or controls.

    While titles like cod, battlefield, fortnight, PUBG, overwatch and whatnot where (properly? I don't play on console) ported within less than half a decade.

  • SnowbawlzzzSnowbawlzzz Member Posts: 1,077

    Plug a USB keyboard and mouse into your Xbox


  • FogofWar23FogofWar23 Member Posts: 75

    You Know you cant use it For dbd right ? I have try IT IT doesnt Work

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