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REWORK idea for LEGION ( Ghost face )

So the community had this idea for a long time and has requested for it multiple times and looking at the legion trailer I think legion really has the potential for and it can even be considered as his buff and make him fun for both sides.

Now before the rework idea I think if this is gonna be applied on him they should rewind the deep wound change so it no longer drains while your mending, for it to be balanced.

To be mentioned this rework should be added to his power and he still should be able to use the feral frenzy.

NOW THE REWORK IDEA is that legion is gonna be able to transform into the the form of 1 of the survivors that are in the trial by pressing the secondary action button only when he is not in the line of site of any survivor. 
He can choose which survivor he wants to transform into up to 4 forms meaning 4 option.
*He can also choose to be injured.

While transformed 
- he can't attack
- he has the survivor movement speed
- he can do all the survivor actions

BUT while healing another survivor or repairing a generator with another survivor and there is no other survivors around he can use the action button to backstab the poor survivor causing them to go down immediately. 
After doing so legion transforms back to killer form by putting his mask on and his transform power goes into a long cooldown.

NOW PLS If you liked the idea UPVOTE the discussion so devs notice it and make this killer actually enjoyable and not just a tunneling killer.

I can't wait to be killed by NEA 😜

Comments

  • AntiJellyAntiJelly Member Posts: 1,138

    I think this is something the devs have been specifically avoiding. Adding that would basically make him an overpowered wraith.

  • HIPSTERLIONHIPSTERLION Member Posts: 323
    @AntiJelly
    He can't use the transformation frequently. It has a long cooldown. Plus if you stick with another survivor he can't backstab you so always stick with the others
  • HIPSTERLIONHIPSTERLION Member Posts: 323
    @AntiJelly
    He also can only backstab you when he is healing you or working on gen with you while no one else is around.
  • AntiJellyAntiJelly Member Posts: 1,138

    @HIPSTERLION said:
    @AntiJelly
    He also can only backstab you when he is healing you or working on gen with you while no one else is around.

    First of all...that's not lore friendly, because the Legion is just a group of kids. They aren't magic.
    Second of all, having that on top of Frenzy is a little overkill. I just don't think he needs all that.

  • HIPSTERLIONHIPSTERLION Member Posts: 323
    edited December 2018
    @AntiJelly
    I respect your opinion but you know that frenzy doesn't do anything, Right?
    To the point where you should never heal if you're against the legion. 
    He is no threat while in frenzy mode.
  • AntiJellyAntiJelly Member Posts: 1,138

    @HIPSTERLION said:
    @AntiJelly
    I respect your opinion but you know that frenzy doesn't do anything, Right?
    To the point where you should never heal if you're against the legion. 
    He is no threat while in frenzy mode.

    If you think that, then you don't play Legion correctly. Deep Wound does quite a bit, he's like a better Pig. Especially if you have sloppy butcher. Now that they removed the double stun (Which they didn't really have to do imo) you can still make mistakes and make a complete recovery. He can down survivors quite fast if you just cancel your frenzy while standing next to an injured survivor.

  • HIPSTERLIONHIPSTERLION Member Posts: 323
    @AntiJelly
    Chasing a survivor with 110% movement speed!
    🤔
    Huntress without hatchets!
    You're right, I'm playing wrong. I'm just gonna practice and GIT GUD.
  • IncarnateIncarnate Member Posts: 677

    Legion with his base kit is potentially quite strong, it's the deep wound mechanics that really throws it over to having struggles with actually downing victims using it's power - feral frenzy, which is what makes it a weak killer.

    Also, what you're suggesting with backstabbing and blending in as another victim only seems plausible due to the salesvideo, which really only works in that because legion is seen as "himself" and isn't seen for what he is - a killer, and when David looks away the mask is slipped on, but no magic or other supernatural type of power is being used, he simply puts on a mask and backstabs him, and thats it. Which is basically what @AntiJelly points out, they aren't magic users who can just transform themselvs to look like whoever they wanted.

    Also, if legion gets an ability to blend with the other victims, it surely should NOT have access to that speed boost known as feral frenzy. Instead should be able to run, like the victims do, which in killer form would still be accessible and only would make the killer move slightly faster before going on cooldown. Because the feral frenzy movement speed is what gives the legion it's real strength and makes it difficult to balance, because it basically ensures a hit. Legion should still be able fast vault windows and pallets as with the feral frenzy.

    As for the backstab ability, I think that should be able to be initiated at any time, but can only be used while blending as a victim, and once the legion downs a victim this way it would go on a cooldown, for at least a minute, because it basically ensures an victim going down regardless of health states and completely avoids the chase.

    The deep wound should also be reworked and should be tied with the backstab instead, which would make really good sense, because the killer is coming up close to really make a very serious and deep wound. The deep wound would make sense that if applied with backstab, it wouldn't do anything immediately as the victim would be going down into dying state, but as soon as the victim is back on it's feet the deep wound mechanic would kick in and begin to go down, where it would be mendable by someone else UNLESS it's the last victim standing.

  • BigBadPiggyBigBadPiggy Member Posts: 678

    This would just add more fuel to the SWF bonfire.

  • IncarnateIncarnate Member Posts: 677

    @BigBadPiggy said:
    This would just add more fuel to the SWF bonfire.

    SWFs would definitely be more equipped to handle it, however I think the blending part shouldn't be utilized for this killer, instead I think the killer should have and ability more like sprint burst (activated the same way) and have a special attack labelled backstab, which would work as I outlined above. Because the sprint burst wouldn't be nearly as powerful as feral frenzy is, as it would be a much shorter duration and have a much longer cooldown, so the killer would have to use more efficiently. The cooldown would be the equivalent of exhaustion, and the actual cooldown duration should be less than exhaustion, probably somewhere between 30-45 seconds.

    They could also change it so that if a victim had been backstabbed, it was possible to fully recover while in dying state without the help of others, this way it would become more of a gamble to leave a victim downed.

  • HIPSTERLIONHIPSTERLION Member Posts: 323
    edited December 2018
    @BigBadPiggy
    At first it looks like swf is gonna be able to counter it easily but that's just the easy way to look at it.
    In reality when I'm playing swf I don't say for example "hey Budd I'm coming be working on this gen with you".
    And I'm saying this while the point of his second ability is not even backstabbing people so he can get advantage of it, it's scaring people so they stick together.
    If you have played the legion by now you will probably notice that the only problem with legion is that if the survivors are spread around the map he can't use his ability efficiently and that's his only problem.
    He has no counter to this as he can't use his power the way he should use it and has to tunnel 1 person.
    And with this backstabbing feature added to him if the survivors decided to split up and counter him this way, he's still gonna be able to use the secondary power and catch someone making survivors decide to stick together or to go all alone.
  • redsopine01redsopine01 Member Posts: 1,269
    Your forgetting see would ruin this power into the ground what they should do is allow them to look like they did in the trailer no mask and have new clothing but you need to use the basement lockers to change clothing but now here's the hard part you cannot attack without the mask and knife but you have 0% he and you look like a normal survivor especially with thck for add-ons so you can ambush them and you can carry them to a hook but to make this work once you grab them your clothing changes back or you have to open a locker nearby 
  • HIPSTERLIONHIPSTERLION Member Posts: 323
    @redsopine01
    Considering in some maps basement is in the corner away from everything this could be a bit hard for him to do so.
    But hey I don't mind a few changes.
    All I wanna see is him becoming a fun killer to play as and to go against because right now all he does is he stabs you, breaks the chase, follows the scratch marks and BAM you're down. They really need to change him, one way or another.
  • BigBadPiggyBigBadPiggy Member Posts: 678

    @HIPSTERLION said:
    @BigBadPiggy
    At first it looks like swf is gonna be able to counter it easily but that's just the easy way to look at it.
    In reality when I'm playing swf I don't say for example "hey Budd I'm coming be working on this gen with you".
    And I'm saying this while the point of his second ability is not even backstabbing people so he can get advantage of it, it's scaring people so they stick together.
    If you have played the legion by now you will probably notice that the only problem with legion is that if the survivors are spread around the map he can't use his ability efficiently and that's his only problem.
    He has no counter to this as he can't use his power the way he should use it and has to tunnel 1 person.
    And with this backstabbing feature added to him if the survivors decided to split up and counter him this way, he's still gonna be able to use the secondary power and catch someone making survivors decide to stick together or to go all alone.

    Yeah but SWF will start communicating more when they find out what killer it is. essentially making them near useless

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