add an indicator in the lobby with who is swf or not.
the problem will sort itself out when 4 player swf will be unable to find games for 5 hours.
SWF isn't the big bad everyone says it is. Your average SWF isn't playing at the same skill level as Oracle. Nerfing SWF would accomplish very little. If you apply a gen speed penalty, watch them bring toolboxes and Prove Thyself.
Solo queue needs to be buffed to be on par with SWF, and then changes can be made from there. But simply nerfing SWF will get us nowhere.
So punish everybody who just wants to play with some friends because killers actually lose 1 out of 20 games to some people really trying to win.
the only way to "nerf" SWF is to buff solo enough that the gap is reduced
so punish killer because he can't counter comms in a game not balanced around comms?
My argument is killer is already strong enough to counter your average swf with comms so in my opinion they aren't getting punished. And playing a lot of killer myself I know the super punishing swfs are few and far between.
Awesome critic, cirurgic i would say
Resorting to insults doesn't resolve anything.
nothing new here
and they don't already bring?
You cant nerf SWF
Instead of it being only occasionally, it would become far more prevalent. I don't play on PC, so I cannot speak for PC Survivors but as a Console AU Player, I don't see a lot of Toolboxes/Prove Thyself.
That is a horrible idea
Do people in this thread not realize that if SWF got nerfed or removed from the game, a lot of players would not play anymore???
The real fans will always stay, I think the bullies who are nothing without swf would indeed not play anymore.
I can see that. I don’t bully killers I think it’s childish and unsportsmanlike. I don’t even do it if they’re camping or tunneling cause it’s just part of the game.
People that already struggle to escape would just quit...
I do believe that you are not a bully, and that you are also fine without SWF.
But as you can see in my screenshots, unfortunately this is not the case for everyone.
may i ask where you are from?
When I think how the totem counter was added for us, solo... I doubt we will ever get the Survivors's aura from Kindred as a basekit. But I wish.
I gotta say, reading through all four pages of this probably dissolved the majority of my braincells.
Out of curiosity, is there like an average age of the people playing dbd anywhere? Or at least the average age of people on forums? I read a lot of these replies with an angry 10 year old in mind.
I bought this game and keep playing it, only because I can play with my friends and joke around in discord or a call. Looks like no more good times for us
If it would mean that the tbagging trolls, whose sole intent is to only cause misery to other players and especially de-moralize the Killer players would leave? Then yes.
Edit: Just ended a game as a survivor, where I was solo and the other 3 were really blatant SWF. They were all wearing the same outfit as Claudette. The Killer was rank 17 Hillbilly at autohaven wreckkers, I was rank 12. The other two were rank 18 and 20, and the third one was rank 5.
Those three did nothing but harassed and bullied the killer as I was just trying to get out as an adept Kate (just to collect my trophy). And not only, they had 2 map offerings for Autohaven Wreckers.
Not only did these three d-bags ruined the Killers game, they also ruined mine because the Killer had enough and he/she DC'd when we still had 3 gens left.
If you're getting triggered by tbagging or getting 'de-moralized' from players in a game, then maybe you could be the problem. People can be nasty in endgame chat, but not enough to warrant punishment on people who might just swf to be able to run dumb perks and see if they can still win.
Except it also scares away the people just having a good time with friends which I assure you there are much more of than your tbagging trolls. All tbagging does is give the killer a better chance to get them since they aren't making distance anyway.
They need to make kindred basekit and make other aura-reading perks stronger. Honestly a fifth perk slot only for aura perks (bond, empathy, aftercare, open-handed, dark sense, etc) would bring solo survivor up to par with swfs. Then buff killers/nerf all survivors to the point that the game is playable. I'd love for something like gens to be made slower with more frequent skill checks (maybe with a 1% bonus for good checks and a 3% bonus for great checks) and for killers to be limited to only one gen slowdown perk. I would love to use different killer perks and not just stack slowdowns to actually keep up with swfs.