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Are the legion the most evil?

JackardJackard Member Posts: 47
Other than the clown that got rewarded with Maurice the horse, are the legion the most evil killers in the game? All other killers have visible torture to convince them to work for the entity (excluding licensed killers) and yet none of the legion seem to have this.
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  • JackardJackard Member Posts: 47
    ^^^ lol
    @AnthonyC2014 I'm only counting original killers
  • alivebydeadightalivebydeadight Member Posts: 1,559

    @Jackard said:
    Other than the clown that got rewarded with Maurice the horse, are the legion the most evil killers in the game? All other killers have visible torture to convince them to work for the entity (excluding licensed killers) and yet none of the legion seem to have this.

    Spirit is from her lore, so that means her wounds are not from the entity, hillbilly is not from the entity, wraith is okay, legion is 4 different killers and they did not know what happened

  • VolfawottVolfawott Member Posts: 2,172

    With the exception of Susie, this seems like a valid argument. Susie didn't seem to want to get into killing at first, but she became evil fast, but I would say that Michael is still holding the title of most evil, right behind him I would say Legion, Freddy, or Pig.

    I wouldn't call Amanda evil. Somewhat mental unhinged but not evil
  • PigNRunPigNRun Member Posts: 2,070
    The thing with Spirit and Freddy is that they are not fueled by being evil, its vengance.

    Clown is still the most evil one out of everyone. He has an entire modus operandi. Even his description states how he let go of Benedict Baker because he prefers his victims to be unaware of his presence.

    The way I see Legion, or Frank more like, is an early Clown. Not fully evil just yet, but eventually he will.

    Myers, honestly, he may be evil, but he just kills. He gets no satisfaction out of it, I think? Clown does, he is a sadist.
  • JusticarJusticar Member Posts: 319

    The's Shape's ability is literally called Evil Within.

  • RaptorrotasRaptorrotas Member Posts: 1,604

    I doubt the legion is evil. Its teen teen angst with boredom and peer pressure. If threy were truly evil theyd have a higher killcount before getting recruited.

    Their leader could be different but the others are just sheep compared to the rest of the killers.

  • thekiller490490thekiller490490 Member Posts: 1,131
    Definitely still the clown in terms of original killers. The legion never intended to kill someone in their lore. Clown literally kills for fun.
  • OnionthingOnionthing Member Posts: 421

    Freddy regardless of the version is definitely evil, he was guilty of his crimes when he was alive (its just the context of those crimes changed per/post 2010) I still consider Freddy the most evil out of the lot. Clown fits the bill too. The Doctor is very much a evil person.

    Meyers is kinda like a force of nature or and animal imho. Evil yes, but I don't think he is a sadist.

    Leatherface and Billy seems to be a bi-product of terrible circumstances like Hag and Huntress. Trapper walks a very fine line that I almost put him with team Freddy, but i can still say it was the way he was raised.

    Wraith is more of a vigilante. To the point you wonder why he is working with the entity at all.
    Nurse literally went insane from grief.
    Spirit wanted revenge for what happend to her family.

    Legion followers I see in the same context as the Pig, both are misguided and were created by something much more sinister than they were. Wraith was a vigilante.

    The leader of the Legion however, like every other cult leader I consider the most dangerous, simply because their evil can spread like a virus, its not self contained. Its not content with destruction but it craves corruption (Just like freddy.)

  • MegMain98MegMain98 Member Posts: 1,651
    Myers is easily the most evil.

    If you are discounting licensed killers then I’d say Clown and Legion are the most evil original killers. Clown kills because he wants to and he gets satisfaction out of it. The Legion I just think are teenage rebels. If the Entity didn’t grant them any powers then most of the survivors would easily overpower any of them, especially Susie.

    The only original killer that does not have visible torture to convince them to work for the Entity is Huntress. She looks like a normal human in a mask. She is however a child in the mind and easily manipulated so that would explain why.
  • DoccyDoccy Member Posts: 102

    They're not Myers, so they're by definition not the most evil Killer(s). The whole point of all the Killers are that they used to be human, and Myers is the only exception to this. Myers was never human, he is just evil in a human Shape.

  • The_TrapperThe_Trapper Member Posts: 175

    Michael Myers is literally described as just pure evil. Frankie is the most evil out of all of them, and Susie is the least evil, because of her I would say they are not the most. But I would bet my left one on saying Michael is. The most evil unlicensed killer though, would have to be either Billy or Hag.

  • xmenfanaticxmenfanatic Member Posts: 746

    @The_Trapper said:
    Michael Myers is literally described as just pure evil. Frankie is the most evil out of all of them, and Susie is the least evil, because of her I would say they are not the most. But I would bet my left one on saying Michael is. The most evil unlicensed killer though, would have to be either Billy or Hag.

    The vibe I’ve gotten from Susie’s description and how the devs have spoken about he rand Legion in the Making of, I feel like they were saying Susie is evil and the Legion is all about any imaginable person having that potential. Susie is the nerdy crazy girl who seems sweet but in the end actually holds psychotic tendencies.

  • The_TrapperThe_Trapper Member Posts: 175
    edited December 2018

    @xmenfanatic said:

    @The_Trapper said:
    Michael Myers is literally described as just pure evil. Frankie is the most evil out of all of them, and Susie is the least evil, because of her I would say they are not the most. But I would bet my left one on saying Michael is. The most evil unlicensed killer though, would have to be either Billy or Hag.

    The vibe I’ve gotten from Susie’s description and how the devs have spoken about he rand Legion in the Making of, I feel like they were saying Susie is evil and the Legion is all about any imaginable person having that potential. Susie is the nerdy crazy girl who seems sweet but in the end actually holds psychotic tendencies.

    She struck me as the nerdy girl, but her story said she was the most reluctant to stab the janitor, Frank forced her knife to stab him. The Legion art also showed Susie had the fewest kills by far. Before I forget. Susie's animations show her to look like she herself is scared and reluctant.

    EDIT: Compare her animations to Frank or Joe's, Joe acts like it no longer really bothers him, Frank acts like he almost enjoys it a little.

  • xmenfanaticxmenfanatic Member Posts: 746

    @The_Trapper said:

    @xmenfanatic said:

    @The_Trapper said:
    Michael Myers is literally described as just pure evil. Frankie is the most evil out of all of them, and Susie is the least evil, because of her I would say they are not the most. But I would bet my left one on saying Michael is. The most evil unlicensed killer though, would have to be either Billy or Hag.

    The vibe I’ve gotten from Susie’s description and how the devs have spoken about he rand Legion in the Making of, I feel like they were saying Susie is evil and the Legion is all about any imaginable person having that potential. Susie is the nerdy crazy girl who seems sweet but in the end actually holds psychotic tendencies.

    She struck me as the nerdy girl, but her story said she was the most reluctant to stab the janitor, Frank forced her knife to stab him. The Legion art also showed Susie had the fewest kills by far. Before I forget. Susie's animations show her to look like she herself is scared and reluctant.

    EDIT: Compare her animations to Frank or Joe's, Joe acts like it no longer really bothers him, Frank acts like he almost enjoys it a little.

    I totally got that nerdy vibe from her too. I believe they described her as the nerdy weird girl. So I imagine someone eccentric but intelligent. I think she definitely has this sweet image to her that makes the irony of her personable demeanor being a guide to her truly more corrupt core. I think we was a sweetheart/kinder character, and I don’t think all of them would kill if given the choice. But I also think the entity would only choose people who are capable of being driven to that point or having been.

    I remember how the entity was actually going for Rin’s Father as a killer, and when it sensed the drive for revenge it chose Rin instead to be a killer and dawn the mantle of the Spirit.

    I think it would be cool to get a survivor who was a killer. And I think Susie could be a potential contender for that. She’s the most popular of the Legion, and it would be an interesting parallel. She would be the first person pulled in with the intention of being a killer, and struggling as survivor. It would imply she succumbed as a survivor and eventually took on the role of killer. I think it was add some tragedy to her story, and a reminder that all survivors eventually succumb.

  • MikeadatrixMikeadatrix Member Posts: 460
    edited December 2018

    Frank is a megalomaniac, a gang boss, one charismatic S.O.B., and up and coming monster. Give it time and he'll be just as cruel as Myers. He's not a sexual deviant like Freddy or the Clown and it'll take a long time to be just as sick as Michael but he's on the path. The order of evil from there goes Susie, Julie, then Joey, in my headcanon. Justification in my post on the Killers interactions with each other.

  • ShrimpTwiggsShrimpTwiggs Member Posts: 954

    I think Myers still holds that title with his only competition being Freddy. Myers had no motivation to begin with and was a monster since he was a kid. He wants nothing but to kill. Freddy might be worse because of what he did before his death. It takes a special kind of evil to do that. The Clown is also a fair contender, too. He reveled in tormenting and killing people.

  • PigNRunPigNRun Member Posts: 2,070

    Its interesting, this discussion can become really personal. The response greatly varies depending on each person's definition of evil.

    For instance, in my case, I could consider evil someone who kills just to kill, because its all they know. This is kind of the reason Myers does it, which puts him into "evil" rank as Huntress. Yet, I will say it again, true evil is being fully aware of your actions and still choosing to kill because it gives you pleasure, which is why I still find Clown the most evil, followed by Frank. All other killers are just forced (whether its emotions or external force), so they will rank way lower.

  • Clown for the Original killers but Trapper has got to be up there, Didn't he bury a whole mining company alive? That's where I took the whole "Trapper" name from how he "Trapped" all of the miners with an explosion and let them die. Some Arguments could be made for the Doctor also for the kind of torture he used on his patients and the joy he gets from it (the giggles) Freddy stands well above them all though for his methods and his targets. Murdering, torturing and molesting children has got EVERYONE beat by miles.

  • DehitayDehitay Member Posts: 755

    Legion has got to be the least evil of killers. Their lore was clearly a rushed effort cause if you think of how the entity operates, it makes absolutely no sense for it to take them into the fog. They killed all of one person and it was because they a mistake, not cause they were looking for a kill. Joe and Susie didn't even really want to do it. Julie's intentions were more of a do it for Frank mentality than a bloodlust. Frank is the only one who I would even consider worthy of the entity's consideration, but it took them all for reasons that don't fit the entity's mentality.

  • TawkuaTawkua Member Posts: 2
    This is a really good point. The idea of torturing into submission is obvious with the Trapper and Doctor, but I find it odd that not a lot of the others have visible wounds.

    If I’m remembering right, the wraith was tortured pretty severely. Michael doesn’t need the entity to tell him to kill, he just does. Same with Freddy, stated in his backstory. The clown already liked to kill too, so torture probably wasn’t needed. 

    The Spirit was convinced with the promise of revenge, and so her motivations are clear. 

    When it comes to the Hag, she’s so far gone she’s just like letting loose a rabid dog. I doubt she had to be tortured. 

    The Pig was given the opportunity to punish the unworthy, and although it’s not the same as the games from her world, she’s now the game master. Plus, getting saved from death can be a good motivator. 

    The ones that confuse me are Legion and Nurse. Did the nurse kill those patients? Did the Entity come for them and she stopped it from taking them? The bag over her face, is it from the torture or the patients? 

    With the legion, I find myself figuring it’s a more subtle approach than torture. Nurture the seed of evil in their minds, and eventually they’ll become what the Entity wants. It’s the chia-pets of Killers. 

    I’m sure I’ve forgotten something lore-important, but those are just my thoughts. 
  • VolantConch1719VolantConch1719 Member Posts: 416

    @Tawkua said:

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    If I’m remembering right, the wraith was tortured pretty severely.

    Psychologically, maybe, since he was unknowingly executing people, but I wouldn't call that torture on him.

  • ShrimpTwiggsShrimpTwiggs Member Posts: 954

    @VolantConch1719 said:

    @Tawkua said:

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    If I’m remembering right, the wraith was tortured pretty severely.

    Psychologically, maybe, since he was unknowingly executing people, but I wouldn't call that torture on him.

    He was tortured by the entity as well. He was choked with mud and I think the white marks on his skin are burns.

  • ShraarShraar Member Posts: 211

    @Dehitay said:
    Legion has got to be the least evil of killers. Their lore was clearly a rushed effort cause if you think of how the entity operates, it makes absolutely no sense for it to take them into the fog. They killed all of one person and it was because they a mistake, not cause they were looking for a kill. Joe and Susie didn't even really want to do it. Julie's intentions were more of a do it for Frank mentality than a bloodlust. Frank is the only one who I would even consider worthy of the entity's consideration, but it took them all for reasons that don't fit the entity's mentality.

    I think the idea that anyone has that evil in them, that anyone can fall from grace and embrace their dark side is very compelling (and disturbing) lore. When I see things like the Trapper that are so obviously monstrous, it's ironically less scary because that's so obviously a monster it's like "yeah I get it you're bad" but when you understand how heedless and desperate people can get, the Legion is much scarier because it's reflective of our actual reality.

  • The_TrapperThe_Trapper Member Posts: 175

    @xmenfanatic said:

    @The_Trapper said:

    @xmenfanatic said:

    @The_Trapper said:
    Michael Myers is literally described as just pure evil. Frankie is the most evil out of all of them, and Susie is the least evil, because of her I would say they are not the most. But I would bet my left one on saying Michael is. The most evil unlicensed killer though, would have to be either Billy or Hag.

    The vibe I’ve gotten from Susie’s description and how the devs have spoken about he rand Legion in the Making of, I feel like they were saying Susie is evil and the Legion is all about any imaginable person having that potential. Susie is the nerdy crazy girl who seems sweet but in the end actually holds psychotic tendencies.

    She struck me as the nerdy girl, but her story said she was the most reluctant to stab the janitor, Frank forced her knife to stab him. The Legion art also showed Susie had the fewest kills by far. Before I forget. Susie's animations show her to look like she herself is scared and reluctant.

    EDIT: Compare her animations to Frank or Joe's, Joe acts like it no longer really bothers him, Frank acts like he almost enjoys it a little.

    I totally got that nerdy vibe from her too. I believe they described her as the nerdy weird girl. So I imagine someone eccentric but intelligent. I think she definitely has this sweet image to her that makes the irony of her personable demeanor being a guide to her truly more corrupt core. I think we was a sweetheart/kinder character, and I don’t think all of them would kill if given the choice. But I also think the entity would only choose people who are capable of being driven to that point or having been.

    I remember how the entity was actually going for Rin’s Father as a killer, and when it sensed the drive for revenge it chose Rin instead to be a killer and dawn the mantle of the Spirit.

    I think it would be cool to get a survivor who was a killer. And I think Susie could be a potential contender for that. She’s the most popular of the Legion, and it would be an interesting parallel. She would be the first person pulled in with the intention of being a killer, and struggling as survivor. It would imply she succumbed as a survivor and eventually took on the role of killer. I think it was add some tragedy to her story, and a reminder that all survivors eventually succumb.

    I personally think Joey is the most popular of the four, purely based on his clothing. It is by far the coolest in my opinion, but we don't really know that much about Joey as a person.

    We know the reason why most killers kill, Leatherface does it out of fear, Billy does it because he loves it. Myers does it because he is pure evil.

    Why do Legion do it? Frank probably enjoys it, Julie doesn't really care, I don't know about Joey but Susie probably does it out of fear, perhaps fear that if the survivors get away they will tell the police about the murder of the janitor. The Entity could easily whisper that thought into their heads, there are multiple possibilities.

  • JackardJackard Member Posts: 47
    Some of you seem to be a bit confused as to the original topic. Most of the killers we're predisposed to murder in one way or another but that is different than killing for the entity. As far as I know the clown is the only non licensed killer that had no intervention of any kind to do the entity's bidding. (Other than the legion... Seemingly)
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