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Why do the devs hate Hillbilly?

WishIcouldmainWishIcouldmain Member Posts: 3,867
edited August 2021 in Feedback and Suggestions

People could get over the overheat you added

If you gave him clean animations where survivors don’t vanish

If you gave him good hit boxes not hitting a tree 3 ft away

If you gave him fair but good add-ons

But, you gave him none of that often making it a hassle to use him. So why devs do you hate Hillbilly?

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  • Steel_EyedSteel_Eyed Member Posts: 3,369

    He needs an addon buff. But he’s still very much competitive.

  • Steel_EyedSteel_Eyed Member Posts: 3,369

    Leatherface has better addons. Hillbillies base kit is better.

  • BrhoomBrhoom Member Posts: 206

    Hillbilly %100 deserved the nerf.

    New players still play him the same way they did before, it's the red rank killers who are complaining they can't get insta downs all the time.

  • RazorbeamRazorbeam Member Posts: 594

    More than anything hillbilly just needs all of his animations completely redone, he's a buggy mess that everyone seems to afraid to touch because he just about works.

  • danielmaster87danielmaster87 Member Posts: 6,153

    Yes but Leatherface is a 1 trick pony, and Hillbilly isn't even that.

  • gilgamergilgamer Member Posts: 1,922

    I used to 1 trick main him, he's all I played when I first really got into killer and although I still think he's a good killer he's not nearly as much fun as before (and no I didn't use insta saw outside of literally just testing it out once and realizing how absolutely busted it was). That along with killers like blight, buffed wraith, and reworked bubba he just slipped by the way side and I barely play him anymore and almost never see him played while survivor.

  • SirGandoSirGando Member Posts: 374

    lol seeing people say that the overheat mechanic was a good addition is the reason billy will probably not get changes in the future at all. Its so sad cause i used to love playing billy (i played without instasaw or crackbilly addons) and he was so much fun. now its just annoying to play him honestly.

  • BrokenSouIBrokenSouI Member Posts: 5,288

    What am I missing ? He has some solid add ons. If you use his yellow add on. You almost never have to worry about over heat.

    He's still extremely strong. To the point that a young billy player like me who can't hit curves yet. Still 4ks WAY more then I don't. Just by his mobility and getting back rev saws(which is super easy)

  • glitchboiglitchboi Member Posts: 5,409

    Hate to say it, but Bubba has a WAY better base-kit than Billy.

  • BrokenSouIBrokenSouI Member Posts: 5,288

    Basekit ? Na. Billy can one shot down you and has high mobility. How is bubbas better. When he can one shot down and lacks mobility

  • SnowbawlzzzSnowbawlzzz Member Posts: 1,121

    Hillbilly absolutely needed a meter


    Infectious Fright Billy was a braindead easy way to get wins

  • BrhoomBrhoom Member Posts: 206

    Being a high-skill killer doesn't mean you get to obliterate everyone once you master said skill. His flick was uncounterable, and while Blight is able to flick like him, it's not a one-shot.

    Yes, he was for many the most fun killer to face, but his nerf was deserved. What I don't understand is why they nerfed him when Nurse is much worse in this regard, being able to score easy 4ks after being mastered.

  • KerJuiceKerJuice Member Posts: 1,207

    I don’t understand the complaint threads about Hillbilly- do you guys play Survivor? There are some REALLY good Billy’s out there. I’ll admit he’s no longer a popular character, but when I saw him pre-SBMM, he was a force to be reckoned with. A lot of Billy mains can kick ass even without his best turning add-ons. They know their maps, and are able to anticipate movement. Very seldom to they bump into anything. They use info and gen slowdown perks. Rarely do they M1. Seen enough 4K with just the chainsaw in Red Ranks. No face camping and no tunneling needed.

    I imagine however, like most of the killer cast- he struggles against gawd tier 4 man squads. They somehow can bait/misdirect last second and avoid insta downs, even in tight quarters. I’m sure you’ll get a few of those who can do that in Solo que as well, but then you need to realize it’s not best to continue the chase and save them for last. Go for someone weaker.

  • glitchboiglitchboi Member Posts: 5,409

    Bubba can safely use his chainsaw in almost any loop and is a consistent monster in dead zones. Billy suffers from being heavily map-reliant, and since curving takes multiple attempts at times, you're bound to overheat without heat dissipation add-ons. Even in his best maps, you'll still struggle in loops Bubba can dominate. Oh and Bubba is WAY more forgiving.

    The Punctured Muffler add-on recovers your chainsaw a lot faster and makes him more enjoyable to play as.

  • glitchboiglitchboi Member Posts: 5,409

    You mean Instasaw Billy? How was Infectious Billy broken?

  • BrokenSouIBrokenSouI Member Posts: 5,288

    Billy can use his saw in a lot of the same loops, and yea. Muffler makes over heat very manageable


    Still. I'll take his mobility over bubba being able to run some loops better

  • gilgamergilgamer Member Posts: 1,922

    He had counter play though, you had to mind game to land a saw on a good survivor at a jungle gym or any window and Billy's flick is nowhere near as controllable as blight's, I went to blight after Billy and he's been my main ever since.

    Blight's rush is magnitudes easier to land and admittedly its not a one shot but even without it its still probably stronger then even old Billy base kit and he has his own absolutely bonkers addons (namely alchemist ring), his nerf was in no way deserved since yeah he could stomp players if they killer was better then the survivors but that's how it should be.

    Insta saw brought up his skill floor immensely though and definitely needed a nerf but his base kit was about as close to balanced as bhvr has ever been and with overheat and the changing of some of his not broken but good addons into basically useless addons has really brought down his fun factor below what, seemingly, most find to be worth the effort, too the point where barely anyone plays him which is an absolute travesty imo.

  • aliquisaliquis Member Posts: 82

    I am a hillbilly main since a very long time (rank1 forever). I already knew that he is not viable (after the nerf) against good survivors, but since the newest mmr test, i get constantly matched against good teams (most of the survivor that i can check the profiles on steam had several thousand hours).

    I get only a few hooks and 1 kill if i camp the last guy.

    People that say hillbilly is good, i am sorry to say, have no idea.

    First: He has a lot of bad maps : Indoor maps like Lerys, new Raccoon city, midwitch, and kind of the game he cant really use his mobility.

    There are some maps, like new coldwind (unless you play a top tier killer you are out of luck, too many strong tiles), springwood, and mc millan, where there are too many save pallets/strong tiles, so a hillbilly will not be able to use his m2 to down people.

    I am sorry but if you perform good with hillbilly, it means you are playing against bad survivors. A good survivor will not be caught in a deadzone where you can charge your m2 and backrev them. They will force you to m1 them after tedious looping, of course you will get downs, but you will have 0 chance to 4k.


    Of course you can easily 4k a team of bad survivors with him, and on a good open map, where he can use his mobility, he feels powerful.


    It doesn't matter anyway, i have given up on the game, played several thousand hours myself, it was fun, but the constant influx of new bugs (often the same bugs return that they fixed some time ago) and the fact that you have to wait sometimes years before the devs fix the most obvious problems has reached a point where i have had enough.

  • SnowbawlzzzSnowbawlzzz Member Posts: 1,121

    Saw one guy down -> instantly at the next guy to saw down -> instantly at the next guy to saw down

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 11,601

    BHVR did not say that. The term "most balanced Killer" was made up by the Community. And it was made up in 2018 already.

    The game got way easier for Killers over the years, logical that the "most balanced Killer" is not the most balanced Killer anymore, when the game got easier.

  • SnowbawlzzzSnowbawlzzz Member Posts: 1,121
    edited August 2021

    -> easiest killers in the game to loop

    Except for the part where he flicks around corners and can instadown while you're locked in the vault animation

    -> Oni is better than Billy with Infectious

    Yes and Oni has a MASSIVE cooldown period when he uses his power

  • ZozzyZozzy Member Posts: 4,507

    They are also usually quite laggy and their actual position is incorrect.

  • M1MASTERM1MASTER Member Posts: 352

    Curves are rather predictable and have plenty of counterplay especially without the movement speed of the Engravings which he didn't have with Insta saw combos; also not every loop is very practical to curve.

    Oni starts with no power compared to Billy but he makes up for it by having much better add-ons and being way more lethal when he does get his power.

  • BrhoomBrhoom Member Posts: 206

    Have I been playing a different game? Billy was fun but being hit with an insta flick was not fair nor did it have a counter.

  • OniWantsYourMacaroniOniWantsYourMacaroni Member Posts: 5,795
    edited August 2021

    Hillbilly flicks take quite a bit of time to set up,are pretty predictable and rather easy to dodge most of the time.

    Especially without engravings.

    I think you really overestimate Billys slugging potential.

    He's only able to slug as much as survivors allow him

  • supersonic853supersonic853 Member Posts: 4,092

    They did say though "hes in mostly a spot they are comfortable with" and the better player normally comes out on top "and they are pretty happy with how he performs so the changes are slight" the overheat and addon murders isnt slight at all.

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