Why so much Legion hate?
LegitAdventurer
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So during beta testing everyone was screaming that Legion was OP. And now everyone is saying he's useless, worst killer, etc.
I'm currently enjoying him a lot. I played like about 8 game's with him and 5 of them were all 4k matches. And I had at least 2 others i had at least 2 picks. And these were in top tier matches.
Now ive deranked because of the season ending, so I dont really count these current game's as a real test of skill. But not only is Legion really good, but he's a TON of fun to play. Especially if played properly. I've been watching streams of these "NUMBER 1 LEGION PLAYER IN THE WORLD I'M THE FLIPPING BEST LOOK AT HOW GREAT I AM" type streams, and they just play him like any other killer. And I'm like ??? You're playing him wrong lol. And then they just tunnel until they down a person. Which...is fine I guess? But when you're spamming your ability to catch and slap the same person over and over you're really not using Legion efficiently. You're supposed to be disruptive and all over the map.
So why don't YOU like Legion? What are your thoughts?
I'm currently enjoying him a lot. I played like about 8 game's with him and 5 of them were all 4k matches. And I had at least 2 others i had at least 2 picks. And these were in top tier matches.
Now ive deranked because of the season ending, so I dont really count these current game's as a real test of skill. But not only is Legion really good, but he's a TON of fun to play. Especially if played properly. I've been watching streams of these "NUMBER 1 LEGION PLAYER IN THE WORLD I'M THE FLIPPING BEST LOOK AT HOW GREAT I AM" type streams, and they just play him like any other killer. And I'm like ??? You're playing him wrong lol. And then they just tunnel until they down a person. Which...is fine I guess? But when you're spamming your ability to catch and slap the same person over and over you're really not using Legion efficiently. You're supposed to be disruptive and all over the map.
So why don't YOU like Legion? What are your thoughts?
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I don't recall anyone saying that he was OP during the PTB, quite the opposite in fact, which is why they tweaked deep wound.
everyone was still saying he was useless
Legion is a cheetah wearing sleigh bells.
Unlike Spirit, Wraith, or Pig who can hide their terror radius naturally.
Legion are supposed to ambush, but they announce their presence, and any survivors worth their salt know to keep distance, and use exhaustion perks to try and screw over legions stamina, or make the chase way too damn long.
Any group with a brain knows to spread out against Legion to minimize the impact of the power.
Legion is awkward to pressure the map with, especially large ones. Frenzy to get to the targets? Now you're out of frenzy, and have to m1, or wait for the charge. Can't do both because m1s screw your frenzy over.
Walking there? Good luck getting there on time
They know legions perks. They use them to bait, and #########. 2 start working on a gen across the map, then bail before you get there, then 2 work on a gen on the other side of the map.
Legion doesn't even work well with their own perks.
Iron maiden has zero synergy with frenzy at all.
Legion had too many flaws and they're easy to take advantage of.
A better Spirit?
Legion depends on loooong games. His ability, used to hunt multiple people, doesn't mean the first he hit is significantly damaged, but needs to spend a few seconds mending to be right as rain. So, while using his ability to chase multiple people slows down the game a bit, it does so at the expense of Legion's time downing a survivor (the time required to move from target 1 to target 2, and then complete the chase).
Furthermore, his inability to quickly down survivors means that his power works as much for him as it does against him: Target 1 might need to mend briefly before getting back to work, but Legion has to slowly follow Target 2 out of Frenzy before maybe getting a non-Frenzy hit, or waiting for their power to recharge for a third hit, and then waiting for the power to recharge to get a forth hit.
Additionally, if Legion happens across a healthy survivor and hits them without Frenzy, they lose their entire Frenzy meter and must recharge it from scratch. Meaning, just hitting a healthy survivor punishes Legion by depriving them of Frenzy. And, unlike Spirit (or any other killer), a pallet slam save, or flashlight save doesn't mean Legion has to chase the caught survivor for 1 more hit to recollect them, but has to start from scratch in the entire chase sequence, requiring an additional 3-4 hits, depending on add-on's.
Alternatively, Spirit can phase immediately to where the survivor is running, break phasing and get the quick down.
As for perks, aside from the always useless perks such as Territorial Imperative, every other killer can greatly benefit from Exposure perks. NOED, Make Your Choice, Devour Hope... these are very powerful perks which are all-but useless on Legion because Frenzy attacks do not trigger exposure. Instead, if Legion tries to use exposure perks, they have to run at slower than standard movement speed and risk being looped endlessly in the process. Until they add in the changes they suggested yesterday, there isn't even a point to healing against Legion, or as the Dev's said, "this is the time for the No Mither meta."
In the end, killers don't get kills (aside from Nurse) because the killer is so amazingly awesome, but because survivors make mistakes. They don't throw the pallet at the right time, they don't know where the infinite loops are, they try for a window they can't make, or hit it at the wrong angle and don't get the fast vault... Legion is the worst killer at capitalizing on those mistakes. Worse than Freddy, as at least Freddy has normal killer movement speed.
Compare this to Spirit, who can use Prayer Beads to approach targets completely undetected, who can use exposure perks, who can not only take advantage of bad loops, but eliminate them entirely by parking her husk to body-block a pallet... Additionally, she can mind game the hell out of a survivor. If she's standing still, they don't know if she's phasing or waiting for the survivor to run straight at her. If she's standing at a window, she might be vaulting, or she may be waiting for the survivor to loop back for a second-jump and an easy hit.
It's very much like when Freddy was released and, despite how weak he was, people complained that he was OP because they simply didn't know how to play against him. The same is true for Legion. He isn't a better Spirit... or a better anything. He may benefit from being new, and people not knowing how to counter him, but that isn't going to last long.
As an aside, you clearly weren't watching the Dev streams or going on these forums during the PTB. There were nothing but complaints about how awful a killer Legion is. The Dev's justification: it's more fun to not be competitive.
As long as you play him right he can be very disruptive, especially with perks that actually compliment him(unlike his teachables)
Sorry "better than spirit" wasn't the right term cuz Spirit is definitely high tier RN. But a different version of Spirit.
And no i wasn't watching the Devs pre-release. I already stated it was on YouTube videos, and you know how great YouTube commenters are lol. But Legion has a strong side too him, he isn't as slow as everyone acts like he is. I agree with the devs on the "buffs" they plan to give him. And his frenzy feels like it runs out really fast, but it's pretty crazy if you catch 3 or more survivors in one general spot. His heat seeking frenzy is dope, and disruption to mend is still time away from progressing gens, and time away from healing, which means everyone is an easy one shot. Remember just because you have frenzy doesn't mean you NEED to use it at all times. Just like huntress doesn't always need her hatchets. sometimes it's just better to loop until bloodlust for an easy down.
Uhm the community complained during beta that he is too weak, just like we are still complaining since the devs ignored us.
So why do I dislike legion? The answer is simple, I dont like killers that are not designed to kill but rather to waste everyones time. Even if versing him should result in a win with competent mates, the playstyle isnt fun at all if you ask me
I'm just going to give my slice of this pie (that made no sense, but whatever).
I like the idea behind Legion. A group of friends that became a Killer together. It opens up the door for so many other new Killers.
I like how their ability is supposed to discourage tunneling by making you go after someone else.
I absolutely LOVE vaulting over pallets as a Killer. There is just something so satisfying about that.
With all of that said though, the execution was atrocious. Rather than get FOUR friends, we got TWO, while the other two were locked cosmetics (that look cool, and I've said before how I can understand it, but SERIOUSLY, they weren't able to fully live up to what Legion is). In addition, I've seen more people complain about Legion tunneling than I think I have ANY OTHER KILLER. So obviously, they failed at that. And (even though I can't really vouch for this, since I haven't played Survivor recently) they seem more annoying to go against and waste way too much time (from playing them, I don't think they waste ENOUGH time, but that's just me). I had pretty high hopes for these guys, but they fail at what they're trying to do.
At least we can still vault pallets (just remove the Frenzy end for being stunned. Please).
Yes The Legion has it flaws but they could still be fun to play with. I enjoy playing The Legion, my favorite killers.
And yeah, I love the concept of a gang of Killers known as Legion, but they really turned it into a money grab, huh?
For me its just the lack of perk integration. From someone who loves variety kinda don't get it from them.
Legion is an absolute horrible time to play against. He is basically a tunnel machine the way everyone is playing him. I definitely don't think this is what the developers had in mind lol
Legion is really weak against competent survivor, it's been this way since he came out on the PTB, he need one Rare addon to be decent and even then he takes more time than others M1 killers to down someone, wich nullify his ability to vault and sprint mostly because of the stun being way too long, the vaulting moving you way too far forward, wich means that survivor can just get behind you and vault back (Wich makes Bamboozle almost mandatory on him imo) , and his 110 speed making him worthless for chases because survivors will loop him into oblivion (Some loops almost becomes infinites against him, like the Asylum building for exemple).
But even with all theses flaws, i have fun playing him, i really like him.
As for the hate, it's just the current "fun thing" to do i guess, as much as people are right about alot of things (Him being unfun to face, him being weak and all that jazz) it's mostly just a herd mentality, in 1/2 weeks they will get back into hating Nurse/Billy for being "OP" and other stuff like this.
Uhhhh who the hell was saying legion was OP in the ptb? Must have been opposite day during the PTB for you if you saw anyone claiming he was op during ptb.
Okay...now we know this dude is false...even trolls can be more subtle than to state this...
Almost everyone was saying how trash he was, not OP. Also, there's so much Legion hate because he is really trash. People are mad because the devs were already told this from the PTB and essentially did nothing and this isn't the first killer they've done this way, it's been almost all of them.
Have you ever heard of a differing opinion, or do you just try to put people down because they don't think the same way as you?
Good buffs are coming on the way but the reason legion or any killer tunnels its because their desperatly trying to win and are hoping by removing one player they have a chance.
Tldr legion sucks as a killer so he tunnels same reason freddy is famous for tunneling.
What I like to do with him is try and rubber band around, make people mend which forces them off gens for enough time to actually use my beast mode to catch up to a still wounded survivor, when beast mode ends i just do a normal chase and swing getting an easy kill. During this time i can go for a more carefree chase since i know everyone is focused on mending and not actually progressing on gens.
TLDR: just because someone is playing a character improperly doesn't mean they're trash.
Because Freddy needs a break.
I don't like Legion because if you heal, he uses his power, you don't heal, he uses his power to hit you 3 times or he sluggs. Either way you just hug a pallet and hope your team does the gens.
Playing him is just "yeet" or "I'M SANIC!" until all the gens are done and you realize you've only downed 2 people.
No one said they were OP.
Literally no one.
This is dumber than when that person said Legion is better than the Clown.
Personally I enjoy playing Legion. I also understand the limitations of Legion and that they are one of, if not the worst killer in the game. I would not say Legion is trash though, some little tweaking and they would be in a much better state. MS would be a good start.