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I am a baby killer though. So, well, at least they get it right some of the time.
Well 99% of time they are baby killers who were ran around for minutes and in exchange they camp and tunnel to regain some control
Sounds like a player adapting his strategy to the circumstances.
No it does not mean they are a baby killer just a bad one. Though it depends on the situation.
If you camped and tunneled and couldn’t even get 1 kill (for an example). That is pretty bad IMO. You did not bother to chase/apply pressure (where it mattered)/did not mind-game because you never chased/You never hooked more than 1 survivor.
I would never not call someone an amateur if they opted for the cheapest tactic in the book and couldn’t even get that survivor killed.
Goo goo ga ga?
That's an interesting take but let's imagine the following:
The killer plays fair for the whole match gets some distributed hooks and boom endgame but no one dead. Now the killer opts to tunnel an injured survivor out and camp them for the kill. The other three come in and save with BT, block the killer after the BT hit and survivor has still the DS/UB combo since there was no tunneling or slugging up until this point. Doors are normally 99% or open at this point normally.
Now tell what a killer in general is supposed to do in this circumstances which aren't rare given the killer would play fair and distribute his hookings and survivor run preemptively meta perks?
If the killer only opts to camp/tunnel/slug at that point then they might as well go afk.
Not that any of that concerns me since I don't even try anything more than aiming for 2 hooks each and 4 escape in general.
Gonna go tunnel trap people pinhead now with thrill and the blind perk to torment people
Camping or tunneling doesn't inmediately means you are a bad killer. Even top tier killers do it sometimes because its necessary.
If the game is going fast you need to remove a player asap from the game. It's survivors job to exchange hook for the sake of the team.
About camping...if you camp in the first hook you're probably new or just playing bubba. Good survivors can just do 5 gens in 3 minutes and get out while he is camping. But camping sometimes is logic and necessary, like when there is no gens anymore and the doors are 99%.
Just say you hate soloq
Of course there are exceptions, that is why I said it depends on the situation.
I am specifically talking about those killers who opt to Camp and Tunnel and only use that as their strategy. This means they never bothered to engage in a chase (other than focusing on the same survivor), did not kick a single generator as a sign of In your example they aren't doing that, and if it is endgame, at that point anything goes. There is nothing else for the killer to pressure really.
Sounds like a player who is out of his league, I wouldn't call them baby killers but they obviously aren't good enough to pressure the people they're facing when they get in that situation and have to resort to that, which I'm not gonna complain about because it's totally within the rules for them to do so, but let's not pretend that playstyle is skillful
Camping and tunneling can both be detrimental depending on who you tunnel (a good survivor will still run you for a ungodly amount of time if your not a good killer, camping against a team that at least two run kindred isn't gonna go well for the killer).
Skillful in the sense that the counterplay is as easy as the tactic. Tunneling is difficult to do against good players, but against good players they will know how to swap hooks ect. Camping takes minimal skill, but sitting on gens takes minimal skill. Their skill curve is fairly even. This is talking about competent players though, which most aren't. But should we balance around incompetency? I don't think so
The skill is know when and who to camp/tunnel to get the best results. See a really good survivor in a ######### position? face camp that ######### and make it so that the other 3 potatoes are gonna die if they don't sit on gens right away. See a teammate take an unsafe unhook without BT? Go for that survivor and ensure they die. Again, it's all situational. Saying it, as a blanket statement, takes no skill is very reductionist.
Or you know bad Player that made wrong decision to chase one Player most of game when they knew they won't be able to make it what you do after that is covering your mistakes not adapting strategy to circumstances
Shaming people into playing in a matter you agree with is actually what a true weak player does (AKA, a "Scrub")
People who are actually good welcome the dirty tactics and cheap tricks because they relish the challenge of going against it.
Covering for your mistakes by changing your strategy is a form of adaptation.
Are you saying someone who made a mistake and is about to lose should keep playing in the same way and just lose? How does that make them a better player than someone who changes their strategy after realizing their mistake and wins?
I'm not gonna argue with you they are bad players it's their fault and their mistake and their lack of skills own up to it and lose like a man next time you'll realize your mistakes instead turning on puss* mode and covering it up and this is a fact ppl tend to ignore their mistakes and blame others and say "well I had to camp" no you didn't u lost right there when u decided to chase single person whole match
I think a baby killer is someone who takes a one-size-fits-all approach to strategy regardless of the map or situation. Someone who is adamant about not tunneling or camping is just as much of a baby as a killer who tunnels and camps regardless of context. You have to at least proxy with low mobility killers on maps like Sanctum, Suffo Pit, or Azarov's to beat good players. You're straight up throwing the game if you cross those maps.
You can make whatever type of reasoning you want but the fact of the matter boils down to two things and two things only , either A: You're a low tier killer who is unable to apply enough pressure to stop genrush by design, or B: You're not as good as the people you're against and have to resort to those tactics just to keep up pressure instead of doing it normally. Im not saying Its wrong to do that by any means but the only time people play like that is when they feel helpless and are getting outplayed to begin with
...But they are realizing their mistake, which is why they changed strategies. "Losing like a man" doesn't mean you make one mistake and then immediately surrender without even trying anything else.
The mental gymnastics in this thread would put the Japan 2021 Olympics to shame.
I ran perkless Huntress for a 9 hook 1K earlier today. The 3 who escaped were all injured and on death hook. I played incredibly fair (by survivor standards, anyway) and guess what?
"Haha only 1 kill".
Play how you want. Survivors will find a way to be dicks to you regardless.
Yeah it is if you made mistakes and it's nobody's fault but your own than own up to it nobody forced them to chase one person you're clearly seeing only one side which is killer side that survivor who gets face camped is punished for the mistakes killer made while they did good but it's dbd I'm not surprised poor plays gets rewarded and good ones punished
Only a weak player refuses to use a tool in their toolkit because some random scrub told them it's weak.
As I said, that's what scrubs do.
I use the word Scrub very deliberately. It's the mindset of a player who has put mental shackles and roadblocks on themselves that prevents them from using every tool in their toolkit due to perceived "e-honor" which is meaningless to the context of the game itself.
I rail against this type of thing because it's the source of frustration for a lot of us. I used to enjoy games a lot less because I kept allowing myself to not use these perceived "cheap tricks". I find I enjoy my games more when I just "let go" and play how I want.
I've been watching this type of thing go on for DECADES now. You think DBD was the first game that ever had these type of arguments? This has been going on since before the internet was a thing. And it's such a pointless and silly argument because ultimately, you can't control how other players play. Believe me, I've been watching people try for decades now and nothing ever changes. And you can play as honorable as you like, and people are still going to get mad at you because you beat their ass anyway.
If you want to put shackles on yourself because you don't like a tactic - that's your choice. But stop trying to shame others into using all their tools at their disposal to meet their objective.
Not fully true, most killers now (because of streamers and youtubers) think that tunneling and camping is the only way to win, and will do so every match thinking it is the only way. It is not, that streamer or youtuber has to because they are going after strong good survivors where tunneling someone once might be necessary. You camping your first hook after losing 2 gens is you showing you don't know how to pressure or change chases lmao. Stop relying on always camping and tunneling because you don't know how to play a 1v4.
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The survivor isn't being punished, the killer is taking responsibility for their mistake and changing tactics. The survivor's death is the killer's goal.
Yes the survivor is being punished because of killers lack of skills does survivor gets rewarded when they do mistake in looping? No they go down and die...
I have played this game for 3 years both roles and I'm yet to see good killer camping outside endgame (I don't count endgame camping because that's only thing they can do at end and it's justified)
You can't tell me good killer will willingly let gens fly like crazy and chase one person whole match that's called being bad player
I can tell you a few things.
And no, survivors aren't being punished. They're losing. There's a difference.
This post smells like a salty survivor main trying to make their opinion sound valid by opening with "from a killer main.
How would that make sense? OP is saying that just because a killer camps/tunnels doesn't make them a "baby killer".