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The problem with "I have 2000 hours"

It doesn't really mean a lot. At all. The skill difference between a player with 400 hours and 4000 hours isn't going to be all that much, considering how basic the games mechanics are. Sure on certain killers there's a higher skill cap than others but playing blight for 400 hours, and 4000 isn't going to make a huge difference. If you're not good with it after 400, 10x that amount probably won't help. There's an absolute skill ceiling to this game, and it's not being reached after a few thousand hours, but rather a few hundred. And ultimately a large majority of "skill" is more just knowledge than anything. You know more than a newer player does. That's it. As a survivor, after 400 hours you know what amount of distance you can run to safely reach a pallet or vault, and that information does not change after you've played a few thousand more hours. It doesn't become easier to press your w and space keys, there's no real gain in skill at all. As killers, you know what you can and can't do, and how or how not to do it after playing them for a few hundred hours. Again, that information does not change with time played. Practice sure helps but again, there's a skill cap that is absolutely reached and you cant go any higher than that.

Tldr ; hours played = knowledge of the game.

Knowledge = skill more or less.

There's a hard cap on the amount of knowledge to learn. This there is a cap on hours playing meaning anything

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  • PanicSquidPanicSquid Member Posts: 654

    Some things require more precise knowledge, such as should you run the loop one more time or drop the pallet now? When is the exact time you need to dead hard to get to the pallet to drop it without getting hit?


    I agree there is a maximum skill cap, but I find it unlikely that it was hit in 400 hours.

  • dugmandugman Member Posts: 3,551

    How long it takes to master a skill is an interesting topic in general. Roughly speaking the rule of thumb is it take 10,000 hours or 9 years of regular practice to master a skill. It can take about 6 months to become reasonably proficient at a new skill. So if you want to learn to play guitar, for instance, it’s about 6 months to be able to do it reasonably and 9 years to be a professional level master player.

    Now how long it takes to master a game like DbD depends on how hard that skill is compared to, say, learning to play a musical instrument or learning to play a sport or learning to play poker or chess. All those things take about, as above, six months to be actually really good and maybe 9 years to do at master level. DbD hasn’t actually been around 9 years, but you could also note that some general video gaming skills from other multiplayer games translate to DbD, so if you’ve played video games a long time some of that time can help speed up the process of mastering DbD. But overall my own guess is that because the game has only been around a few years, and is constantly changing and adding new killers, on average the longer people have played regularly the better they are along some sort of asymptotic curve, with high level tournament mastery in most or all characters taking multiple years of play. Mastery in a single character probably takes less time, but still might be on the scale of a couple years versus a couple months. (Assuming that ratio of 1/2 year to 9 years between proficiency and mastery remains somewhat fixed.)

  • SupernautSupernaut Member Posts: 1,366

    I'll be honest, I'm coming up 6k and, as an older gamer with sluggish reactions, play like #########

  • TheMadCatTheMadCat Member Posts: 1,834

    I have 1500 hours, and speaking of myself only, I clearly play better now than when I had 400 hours.

    But we're all different. Some will take thousand of hours to be good, some way less... We can't compare.

  • EntitySpawnEntitySpawn Member Posts: 2,104

    While I get what you mean, it's not quite right.

    My many k hours allows me to know all totem spawns, perks, counters, tiles maps, timing etc etc.

  • R2kR2k Member Posts: 1,071

    Hours doesn't matter if u don't learn. Don't judge people based on hours.

  • tippy2k2tippy2k2 Member Posts: 2,163

    I only have 1,864 hours so I'm not allowed to have opinions yet :'(

  • ElusivePukkaElusivePukka Member Posts: 1,602

    High hours != Good.

    However, low hours = bad.

    Without experience, one cannot have knowledge and muscle memory. More experience does not mean one will have gained that knowledge or formed that muscle memory, but a lack of that experience does guarantee a lack of game-sense.

  • PepsidotPepsidot Member Posts: 1,032
    edited November 2021

    Very much disagree. You can certainly tell the difference between someone with 400 hours and thousands of hours. I'd say if you play regularly then 1500-2000~ hours in the game is when the difference compared to someone with e.g. 5000 hours becomes less apparent.

    It's really hard to explain but generally players with 400 hours don't know the ins and outs of the game and its mechanics. And there is a LOT to cover. They often don't look behind them in chases; they don't have all perks on all killers. They don't know every loop and thus must watch where their going - whereas experienced players can look at (or for) the killer the entire time around loops, they know how smooth the loops are and their layout.

    E.g. I know it's best not to hug one of the shack corners on Dead Dawg Saloon because you'll probably get stuck. I know you probably shouldn't hug stairs when running down them as a survivor since you might end up bugging and falling slightly. I know you shouldn't hug the broken boat under the small building in Grim Pantry since you can be hit over it, etc. Someone with 400 hours hasn't experienced the game enough to know its ins and outs.

    There's also an awful lot of situational awareness you need to have in this game which only comes with a lot of experience. A simple example of this is that when it's a 2v1 with a few gens left you should let the survivor die on the hook. If you are the survivor on the hook, you should not hit the skillchecks in order to die faster - you shouldn't press any key. If you unhook in the example above, the chances are you'll both die, instead of just one of you.

    I could continue giving examples but I'll stop at this point. Hopefully my post has not come across as arrogant as that is not my intention.

  • ElusivePukkaElusivePukka Member Posts: 1,602

    TBH, at this point in my survivor rounds I don't even look at the killer half the time while looping, instead checking totem spawns or trying to gauge where people's gens are so I don't sandbag. One time I started reading the headlines on the wall in one of the shack expies. If it's a Nurse I jerk to the left at the audio cue, if it's a Blight I go right, and other killers all have juke tricks - save Huntresses, I can dodge a hatchet but for some reason her M1 is my kryptonite :P

    Like I said in my first reply, a lot of it is muscle memory, which a new player just can't have.

  • BedslambBedslamb Member Posts: 13

    most of my hours are hanging around in a lobby chatting

  • vacamanvacaman Member Posts: 1,137

    There's no actual public MMR, so hours is the most accurate thing there is to show the experience you have at the game at least. And i doubt you have reached any skill cap in any killer or survivor with 400h unless you are a literal god. All the little details you keep learning make a real difference.

  • DBD78DBD78 Member Posts: 2,513

    400 hours players are bad, very bad! I was awful at that point, could not loop killer for very long and did not know the maps inside and out like now. You can be good at that point but not as a 3-4000 hours player.

  • themoobs1984themoobs1984 Member Posts: 619

    The more you play the more your mind and body become adapted to the game. If you've been it 2000 hours into the game you can come near to playing it off instinct alone.

  • IamFranIamFran Member Posts: 888

    In this game with 400 hours you're still a rookie, specially if you play both sides more or less equally and you don't "specialize" in one side.

  • Mr_KMr_K Member Posts: 6,622

    3400hrs of grinding and still not done. 🙃

  • ThraxThrax Member Posts: 812

    First 100 hours ruined me. After that I'm sad without the salt.

  • VaJayblesVaJaybles Member Posts: 451

    I have 4.3k hours and Im still trash.

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