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SWF is toxic and almost made me want to uninstall.



  • HolkapolkaHolkapolka Member Posts: 24

    1. Pyramidhead can play around Ds and Bubba can chew thourgh BT. The world did not end with both KIllers

    2. If you have 3 SWFs and one random SoloQ you still might want to worry about DS and BT. My system would not tell you that you are matched up with SoloQs. To play devils advocate here, its not hard to figure out who is this is, in most cases

    3. I wonder how this friends can live with the fact that they play, against a total stranger. The pain must be incredible.Jokes aside SWFs destroy all kinds of mechanics thx to voice chat. So If you want play with friends thats fine, but pls withput DH.

  • SilentShepherdSilentShepherd Member Posts: 146

    I don't believe you. No way. Did the devs really say voice chat on 3rd party apps is not cheating?

  • Dino7281Dino7281 Member Posts: 3,300
    edited November 2021

    It was commented by Mods on this forum several times.

    It doesn't alter game in any way. If those players played in same room, would it be cheating for you?

  • oxygenoxygen Member Posts: 2,624

    Of course they did, do you really believe they'd add SWF to the game they didn't expect people to talk together? Or that they were delusional enough to believe it's even theoretically possible to prevent people from talking to eachother?

    And directly from the official rules as well (https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/19450/game-rules-and-report-system) I quote, "We are not banning for the use of communication apps.". So even if you go with the 3rd party app rule it has an explicit exception from that rule.

    They've both stated they don't consider it cheating on this very forum (see post above by Dino7281), and added it right there in the rules.

  • burt0rburt0r Member Posts: 1,909

    I know i am about to commit whataboutism but:

    They play "toxic" because its funny, not to personally insult you. If you take it as anything other than that you're just making it hard on yourself.

    The same could be said about the average tunneling or camping.


    Just stop taking it so seriously. It's a video game and you really can't control what happens in it. Those clicks and t-bags only affect you if you let them.

    I do but those are still MEANT to be aggravating.

    Maybe with a tactical purpose but still nonetheless intented to cause the opposing player stress.

  • burt0rburt0r Member Posts: 1,909

    I check my lobbies (more out of boredom since always one of them doesn't ready up -.-) and from my experience during peak hours (after 8pm, eu, PC, crossplay on) 4men and pure solo lobbies are the absolut rarest, at least in my MMR and before that rank.

    The main part are 2/3men and the solos to fill.

  • burt0rburt0r Member Posts: 1,909

    That is in my eyes the same case with the devs and their statement about camping/tunneling being valid strategies.

    The just preemptively gave up since the think/know that they can't change neither those nor swf comms to satisfaction of all parties so they don't even try.

    But they also might prove me wrong as i read in multiple threads by now that they hinted at something against camping.

  • Marc_go_soloMarc_go_solo Member Posts: 2,630

    I wouldn't necessarily bother with that, as I doubt many would question whether swf comms exists (if any!).

    In some cases there are people confusing DBD with COD, and the whole game becomes a boring, predictable mess. Yet there are those who legitimately play for fun only, with minimal coordination between them and just joking about.

    One possible workaround could be enhanced rewards against either a 3 or 4 man swf. It wouldn't be right to punish people for wanting to play with friends, but anyone facing a tougher group might feel happier if they were rewarded more BP or even Shards, depending on both the number of swf members and how high their MMR is as a group. But that would also be quite advanced, considering the simplicity used for the current system.

    All I know is punishing people for playing with friends would be a bad idea.

  • PhasmamainPhasmamain Member Posts: 8,718

    There’s no “abusing” voice comms. The devs fully endorse the use of it

  • GwintyGwinty Member Posts: 789


    SWF is what is keeping this game alive. If I would be forced to play only soloQ survivor I would skip survivor forever. It is playing with my friends that brings me joy and fun. Sure I talk to them and we call out certain things. But we are mostly a moronic group just having fun and doing stupid things like "its a Myers", "he is camping" etc.

    Why do you advice to take out fun away? Chilled SWF is the best way to play survivor.

  • VaJayblesVaJaybles Member Posts: 465

    I think it may just be difficult to change. They have tried punishing killers for camping but they can't make the proximity too big because then it's exploitable by survivors. They tried stopping the timer, again exploitable. They added swivel hooks which got rid of actual face camping and that blew my mind lol. Same goes with comms, in game chat would be a nightmare and I'm sure they are aware. Imagine the in game reports of harassment. As well as screaming in your ear, and broken immersion.

  • SakurraSakurra Member Posts: 742
    edited November 2021

    Yes, they are. Survivors usually are like this Solo or swf it doesn't matter. They are disgusting people. Pretty sure they are same in real life too.

  • VikingDragonXiiVikingDragonXii Member Posts: 750

    Yes I agree punish them for using discord to get a upper hand on a player who is by himself without any kind of help what so ever.......yes I am half joking here....there needs to be a fix to SWFs that makes everyone happy.....right now SWFs are the real thorn in everyone's sides.

  • VampwireVampwire Member Posts: 264

    Tunneling and camping are different because you legitimately are unable to play the game now. The killer just wants you out of the game so now that's what's happening. Clicky clicky doesnt make you unable to play the game or basically make you lose. You still have options against it.

    do but those are still MEANT to be aggravating.

    Yea so don't let it be. It doesn't mean anything and it only effects you because you let it. There is no legitimate reason to be stressed. Maybe you want to win more now but that's something you want. You are the one who let it get to your head. It's immature to lose your composure and get triggered over video games.

  • VampwireVampwire Member Posts: 264

    Survivor mains are satan now for pressing the crouch button

  • The_KrapperThe_Krapper Member Posts: 1,755

    Speak for yourself I don't have an issue with it and I've been here since day 1, people are just a bunch of cry babies who can't handle not getting a 4k every game and it's the same people who think they can use the same build every single game and should never have to adjust it to win, just bring bot matches to the game so they can feel good about themselves trouncing an A.I. squad, half this community is so entitled and egotistical that they refuse to believe they could've done anything different to get the W and that's where the real problem lies in this game, and I'm not directing this towards you so I apologize if it comes out that way.

  • EvilBarney666EvilBarney666 Member Posts: 137

    I feel the need to chime in.

    I hear the people saying they should not be punished for wanting to play with their friends even on comms. I agree. They should not be punished for that.

    However, on the opposite side of the coin, should killers be punished for you wanting to play with your friends? Sure some swf are just friend's chilling etc.. some are not.

    The killers are givin nothing to compensate for the coordination swf have. They are just expected to git gud. I do not know what could be done to make it more fair and balanced.

    I do feel that either side should be compensated. For example. If a killer goes against a swf they get something to compensate, don't know what...BP, Shards etc.. and if a survivor goes solo while with a swf group they should get something as well.

    Again, I have no idea what would work best. I just feel that regardless, people should not be punished for playing with their friends. But killers should be givin something to make up for it. Just my 2 cents.

  • burt0rburt0r Member Posts: 1,909

    Oh believe me I know what you mean. I play(Ed) rainbow six siege as well as rocket league and others with inbuilt voice and yeah there will always be "real mature" people.

  • SilentShepherdSilentShepherd Member Posts: 146
    edited November 2021

    So the devs say it's not cheating to be in discord in a 3 or 4 man SWF and call out killer location and coordinate everything?

    Wow. I see what type of community I've wandered into. I'll show myself out before the devs give me any more grief.

    What's the point of Perks that give you Killer aura location for 5 seconds, when you can just skip it and callout Killer location, coordination, etc... in discord voice chat. Yeah okay. They know it's cheating, but will sell their souls to avoid a problem.

    I've stepped into a community I don't want to be a part of. Peace.

  • SilentShepherdSilentShepherd Member Posts: 146

    "It doesn't alter game in any way"

    !??! You are being so dishonest right now, on purpose. You know it does.

    Calling out killer location on voice chat without needing to equip any perk to know where Killer is at all times?

    Coordinating repairs based on that information?

    Are you serious. OH my god what Have I walked into in this game.

  • SilentShepherdSilentShepherd Member Posts: 146
    edited November 2021

    Im done complaining about this. Im just gonna go play Survivors and enjoy the game

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  • VaJayblesVaJaybles Member Posts: 465

    Those perks are for people who don't play in a swf=solo queue. They also help if you're not a full 4man and helps out the randoms, they can also help you if youre new to the game. Any game that allows people to play with each other allows voice.

    PubG, COD, LOL, etc you do callouts, would you consider that cheating?

    That is the perk of online games.

  • VikingDragonXiiVikingDragonXii Member Posts: 750

    Yes other online games do call outs and voice chats but there is a major difference between DbD and those games.......those games you have at the most part have the same amount of people on each team, while in DbD its 4v1. The Killer is at a disadvantage to begin with before you add SWF coordination and "COMS". I say it like that because yes it could be a bunch of friends in the same room, but the issue is still you have a team that can call out the Killers location at all times so they can plan out their Gen Repairs, rescues or general harrassment of the Killer.

    Are all SWFs the same....NO

    Do I expect getting 4K every game......NO (that would make the game boring and dull)

    Do I want them to punish people for playing with their friends.......HECK NO.

    I have had plenty of games where I came across SWFs that use coms but dont abuse it and those are some of the most fun matches I have ever had. Everyone had fun with the chases we got a bit silly at times but in the end we achieved what the GAME is really about.......it's to have fun. In the end they shouldn't punish people for playing with friends but they do have to have a way to help balance things so Killers of all experience levels can have fun, because someone who is a lower skill level wont be able to handle a SWF Hit squad while there are Killers who has the skills to go against those Squads.

    As someone said Solo Q and Killers need some type of "buff". Killers going against a SWF need something, like someone said more BP, Shards or something. Same thing for SoloQ Survivors they need something because their Skills may not be up to snuff for certain skills of killers

  • VaJayblesVaJaybles Member Posts: 465
    edited November 2021

    True, but I'm pointing out the ignorance in thinking it's legit cheating (changing game files in order to see through walls, aim bot, no exhaustion etc) and that it wouldn't be apart of a multiplayer game. There definitely needs to be some changes, what they are, I have no idea.


  • VikingDragonXiiVikingDragonXii Member Posts: 750

    Oh I agree it's not cheating at all and those are saying it is are well......ummm how can I say this so not to offend their sensibilities.....ummm fools. As what to be done I'm not sure myself.

  • Dino7281Dino7281 Member Posts: 3,300

    There is no way how to do it.

    If they just nerfed only SWF, it would be super dumb. It would cost them lot of players -> money.

    Best way imo is buff soloQ, so gap between soloQ and SWF is smaller, then you can make some changes.

  • Dino7281Dino7281 Member Posts: 3,300
  • Dino7281Dino7281 Member Posts: 3,300
    edited November 2021

    I don't think you understand what I mean "alter game".

    That means changing data / files. Like Insta heal, infinite sprint burst etc.

    What you call "cheating" can be done just by playing in one room and talk... Do they get advantage by it compare to soloQ? Yeah, to some extent, but it's not really cheating.

    I think game should be balanced around shared information for survivors and aura perks can be used as training wheels for survivors. It's not that easy to make accurate calls and most survivors I played with on official discord were not able to do it.

    They just need to buff soloQ and give them info that is easy to share for SWF.

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