Survivors hooked should have Madness 3 regress to 2

White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 1,002

The Doctor is among my top 3 killers and I find very annoying the propentity to tunnel of most Doctor players. The reason they can keep up despite playing horribly is just one: survivors who just got unhooked are still in Madness 3 and are very easy to find.
I think if unhooked survivors had their Madness regressed to tier 2 good Doctors wouldn't be affected at all. I know I wouldn't. Also, it would maybe induce people to learn a bit more of the Doctor, who is not only the one "that makes people scream and easy to find".

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  • Mister_xDMister_xD Member Posts: 1,240

    the nurses calling nerf hit doc hard enough.

    stop hurting his feelings.
    he just wants to be loved.

  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 1,002
    edited January 3

    @Acromio said:
    So, basically you want a garbage tier killer nerfed? Get lost with that.

    Oh shut up. The Doctor is good in good hands, if you rely on survivors screams to tunnel them you're the one making him garbage tier.

    @Mister_xD said:
    the nurses calling nerf hit doc hard enough.

    Not actually. I didn't like devs move of nerfing snapping out of it when people wanted them to buff mending, but it didn't affect the Doctor much.

  • AcromioAcromio Member Posts: 326

    The Doctor is just a M1 killer with a ginormus terror radius. If you think otherwise you're either a Rank 21 noob or very, very deluded.

  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 1,002

    @Acromio said:
    The Doctor is just a M1 killer with a ginormus terror radius. If you think otherwise you're either a Rank 21 noob or very, very deluded.

    I'm not the deluded one here. If this is all you have to bring to the discussion I'll just ignore you.

  • PigNRunPigNRun Member Posts: 946
    The thing is, whether you are in Madness 2 or 3, if you are getting tunnelled, it doesnt matter. You cant heal yourself or repair generators at tier 3, and you scream every few moments, but the tunneling killer will already know where you are anyway.
  • AcromioAcromio Member Posts: 326

    @White_Owl said:

    @Acromio said:
    The Doctor is just a M1 killer with a ginormus terror radius. If you think otherwise you're either a Rank 21 noob or very, very deluded.

    I'm not the deluded one here. If this is all you have to bring to the discussion I'll just ignore you.

  • VietfoxVietfox Member Posts: 3,778
    Mister_xD said:

    the nurses calling nerf hit doc hard enough.

    stop hurting his feelings.
    he just wants to be loved.

    @Mister_xD
    I never used NC on the doctor because i always thought it was a wasted perk slot on him. I mean, he's really good at tracking survivors...
  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 1,002

    @PigNRun said:
    The thing is, whether you are in Madness 2 or 3, if you are getting tunnelled, it doesnt matter. You cant heal yourself or repair generators at tier 3, and you scream every few moments, but the tunneling killer will already know where you are anyway.

    It actually matters, because in madness 2 you don't scream randomly so you can juke and hide, while in madness 3 you just hope to have time to snap out of it before he comes back. That unless you scream revealing your position.

  • OrionOrion Member Posts: 6,536

    @Vietfox said:
    I never used NC on the doctor because i always thought it was a wasted perk slot on him. I mean, he's really good at tracking survivors...

    Too true. You don't put tracking perks on a guy who's inherently good at tracking Survivors. That'd be like putting a (hypothetical) perk that allows you to teleport on the Nurse.

  • NoShinyPonyNoShinyPony Member Posts: 516

    Doc is no Freddy but he isn't a strong killer, either. He should not be nerfed.

  • PigNRunPigNRun Member Posts: 946

    @Orion said:

    @Vietfox said:
    I never used NC on the doctor because i always thought it was a wasted perk slot on him. I mean, he's really good at tracking survivors...

    Too true. You don't put tracking perks on a guy who's inherently good at tracking Survivors. That'd be like putting a (hypothetical) perk that allows you to teleport on the Nurse.

    Dont you dare trashtalk Bamboozle on Nurse.

  • MojoTheFabulousMojoTheFabulous Member Posts: 862

    I'd at least like the random screams to not happen when you're being healed.

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 5,935

    @Acromio said:
    So, basically you want a garbage tier killer nerfed? Get lost with that.

    If you think Doctor is garbage tier then there's no helping you and only bad Doctors ran NC on him because it's a waster perk. Also why is this a nerf considering they're still in madness II and it's not like you can't just come back and reshock them.

    I mean even Freddy's victim get woken up when he hooks them and the Doctor is made for tracking survivors provided of course you know how to play him.

  • DemonDaddyDemonDaddy Member Posts: 655
    Sounds like an excuse not to snap out of it by skill alone. If you were just impaled by a hook, why should you refresh in a better state of health? It takes almost no time to snap out, do we really need all sense of effort removed?
  • FoggyDownpourFoggyDownpour Member Posts: 231
    I'm honestly a bit torn on this. I agree that is easy to tunnel those survivors in T3 madness, but it's ultimately up to the player. It's at least a bit similar to saying 'LF's power encourages camping'. It's not necessarily a problem with the power, but more of an issue with how someone chooses to use it.

    That being said, I do agree in general that there could be better ways to deal with it, but I also can't deny that Doc would be much weaker than he is now without it. It would need some readjusting and balancing as opposed to a flat out removal. I personally use T3 unhooks as a way to keep an eye on them and watch where they go on the map while I chase others. I hate tunneling when is done to me and I won't do it to others.
  • AcromioAcromio Member Posts: 326

    @powerbats said:
    Doctorino op, plz nerf duud!1!!!!

    He's just a M1 killer with a ginormus terror radius. All he has is a mediocre tracking ability that can be replicated with perks (Whispers, Predator) and outclassed by certain addons (All-seeing, Amanda's letter). There's no need to remove the only way the Doctor has to keep a bit of pressure on the survivors.
    But, of course, you're powerbats, so I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying and come up with a valid counter-argument. Too bad this forum doesn't have "hide this user's posts" option like Steam.

  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 1,002
    edited January 4

    @DemonDaddy said:
    Sounds like an excuse not to snap out of it by skill alone. If you were just impaled by a hook, why should you refresh in a better state of health? It takes almost no time to snap out, do we really need all sense of effort removed?

    How about the sense of effort for the killer? Is it so hard to shock a couple times a survivor to bring him back to tier 3? If you want to tunnel them at least work for it.

    @FoggyDownpour said:
    I'm honestly a bit torn on this. I agree that is easy to tunnel those survivors in T3 madness, but it's ultimately up to the player. It's at least a bit similar to saying 'LF's power encourages camping'. It's not necessarily a problem with the power, but more of an issue with how someone chooses to use it.

    That being said, I do agree in general that there could be better ways to deal with it, but I also can't deny that Doc would be much weaker than he is now without it. It would need some readjusting and balancing as opposed to a flat out removal. I personally use T3 unhooks as a way to keep an eye on them and watch where they go on the map while I chase others. I hate tunneling when is done to me and I won't do it to others.

    The Doctor would not be much weaker just because of this. I never relied on this mechanic and still do good with him at red ranks, it's just a matter of using all the tools at Doc's disposal (which are a lot) instead of just one. Damn, I still have to see someone else besides me using the shock attacks to deny loops or using anything that is not the Distressing+Unnerving Presence combo (which is just a noob trap), and then I have to read Acromio's bs about Doc being a m1 killer.

  • AcromioAcromio Member Posts: 326
    edited January 4

    His shock can stop loops only against Rank 21 scrubs who never played against him and keep camping pallets and windows like spastic otters instead of looping them. Your post supports what I've always said about the Doctor: he's a M1 scrubstomper. The counterplay to everything he can do with his shock is to just keep running.

  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 1,002
    edited January 4

    @Acromio said:
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    Did someone say something?

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  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 8,419

    @White_Owl said:
    The Doctor is among my top 3 killers and I find very annoying the propentity to tunnel of most Doctor players. The reason they can keep up despite playing horribly is just one: survivors who just got unhooked are still in Madness 3 and are very easy to find.
    I think if unhooked survivors had their Madness regressed to tier 2 good Doctors wouldn't be affected at all. I know I wouldn't. Also, it would maybe induce people to learn a bit more of the Doctor, who is not only the one "that makes people scream and easy to find".

    Should freddy be nerfed too? :wink:

  • Tru3LemonTru3Lemon Member Posts: 300

    they could make it to regress to tier 2 and not making it at tier 3 while youre on hook they should also make a possible way to go tier 1 but since ppl still defend him cuz hes weak (hes not).

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 5,935

    @Acromio said:

    @powerbats said:
    Doctorino op, plz nerf duud!1!!!!

    He's just a M1 killer with a ginormus terror radius. All he has is a mediocre tracking ability that can be replicated with perks (Whispers, Predator) and outclassed by certain addons (All-seeing, Amanda's letter). There's no need to remove the only way the Doctor has to keep a bit of pressure on the survivors.
    But, of course, you're powerbats, so I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying and come up with a valid counter-argument. Too bad this forum doesn't have "hide this user's posts" option like Steam.

    Ah yes the typical troll responses from someone that can't debate, when you can't counter LIE and distort. Since you can't counter debate, only use histrionics, distort, lie, deflect, and basically troll away we can safely dismiss your posts from now is what you're saying.

    If you honestly think the only way a Doctor can track good survivors is with Tier III madness only then the issue is you're just not that good. I mean what happens when the survivors sasp SNAP OUT OF IT oh no what will good Doctor players do.

    They'll use their brains to go find said survivors, look for illusions, shock away, check likely hiding spots, gen patrol etc. You know they'll actually play the way they're supposed to play not come to the forums and troll and make up ame excuses that only rank 20's would use.

    Then we come to the typical I can't debate you properly so let me troll my way out of this by saying something nonsensical and hope it flies.

    Oh and just to put the final nail in your troll argument those addons you mentioned are a limited radius and the killers have gto give up something to use them, you know drawbacks. Oh and lest we forget the Doctors Ultra rare like Iridescent King.

    So when you're ready to have an actual debate and not try and troll your way out of one the rest of us will be here waiting.

  • AcromioAcromio Member Posts: 326
    edited January 4

    Qed, i win. As always.
    @everyone else To make things clear, I wasn't trying to argue anything with them. It's just not worth the hassle. Someone who thinks the Doctor is a good killer is either very, very deluded or a poor troll (wich is powerbats' case specifically). Their last posts made it even more clear. Qed, as I was saying.

  • powerbatspowerbats Member Posts: 5,935

    @Acromio said:
    Qed, i win. As always.
    @everyone else To make things clear, I wasn't trying to argue anything with them. It's just not worth the hassle. Someone who thinks the Doctor is a good killer is either very, very deluded or a poor troll (wich is powerbats' case specifically). Their last posts made it even more clear. Qed, as I was saying.

    Translation I was trying to argue and insult him but got exposed by it so now I'm going to use more of the usual troll Ad Hominems and hope no one notices.

    Bottom line just because you don't know how to play him or aren't very good with him doesn't mean he's not a good killer. Since if he wasn't no one one that actually knows how to play him would ever use him at rank 1 let alone 4k.

    But go ahead and keep on trying to troll, use Ad Hominems, Straw Man's etc since you can't debate and thus resort to the typical troll responses.

  • White_OwlWhite_Owl Member Posts: 1,002

    @Master said:

    @White_Owl said:
    The Doctor is among my top 3 killers and I find very annoying the propentity to tunnel of most Doctor players. The reason they can keep up despite playing horribly is just one: survivors who just got unhooked are still in Madness 3 and are very easy to find.
    I think if unhooked survivors had their Madness regressed to tier 2 good Doctors wouldn't be affected at all. I know I wouldn't. Also, it would maybe induce people to learn a bit more of the Doctor, who is not only the one "that makes people scream and easy to find".

    Should freddy be nerfed too? :wink:

    Nice try. Is there someone that came here not to troll?

  • AcromioAcromio Member Posts: 326

    Qed, i win. As always.

  • MasterMaster Member Posts: 8,419

    @White_Owl said:

    @Master said:

    @White_Owl said:
    The Doctor is among my top 3 killers and I find very annoying the propentity to tunnel of most Doctor players. The reason they can keep up despite playing horribly is just one: survivors who just got unhooked are still in Madness 3 and are very easy to find.
    I think if unhooked survivors had their Madness regressed to tier 2 good Doctors wouldn't be affected at all. I know I wouldn't. Also, it would maybe induce people to learn a bit more of the Doctor, who is not only the one "that makes people scream and easy to find".

    Should freddy be nerfed too? :wink:

    Nice try. Is there someone that came here not to troll?

    Hard not to troll when you suggest things like this

  • jackmadroxjackmadrox Member Posts: 104

    @White_Owl said:
    The Doctor is among my top 3 killers and I find very annoying the propentity to tunnel of most Doctor players. The reason they can keep up despite playing horribly is just one: survivors who just got unhooked are still in Madness 3 and are very easy to find.
    I think if unhooked survivors had their Madness regressed to tier 2 good Doctors wouldn't be affected at all. I know I wouldn't. Also, it would maybe induce people to learn a bit more of the Doctor, who is not only the one "that makes people scream and easy to find".

    Terrible idea. Are you trying to make Doctor worse than Freddy?

  • SnakeSound222SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 913
    edited January 5
    This sounds like an excuse to not want to use Snap Out of It. Doctor’s speciality is finding Survivors. If you don’t want to be tunneled because of the screams in tier 3, then just have another Survivor block him from getting to you while you remove tier 3 or have the other Survivor heal you before you break out of tier 3 so you can loop him for longer and get him to leave you alone because you're making him waste time chasing you. It also makes the game a little bit scarier because you're never truly safe from Madness 3 even when you're trying to remove it. 

    Acromio said:

    @powerbats said:
    Doctorino op, plz nerf duud!1!!!!

    He's just a M1 killer with a ginormus terror radius. All he has is a mediocre tracking ability that can be replicated with perks (Whispers, Predator) and outclassed by certain addons (All-seeing, Amanda's letter). There's no need to remove the only way the Doctor has to keep a bit of pressure on the survivors.
    But, of course, you're powerbats, so I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying and come up with a valid counter-argument. Too bad this forum doesn't have "hide this user's posts" option like Steam.

    I'm pretty sure powerbats wasn't being serious with that comment. 
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