Nope, I can easily find 3 totems just traveling between gens.
Like I said, my issue comes more from how it feels than the strength. I'd prefer they being something that doesn't feel so... Cheap to deal with. It just doesn't feel good to face, and the fact that it is more effective vs solos than swf (just objectively it's better vs them due to being much more likely to activate) is the icing on top of the cake for my vehement dislike of the perk.
Probably not Tinkerer level of hatred but it's close. I really hate the perk because of how it feels but I completely accept that it does have counters (even if they're much more effective in a swf) and it isn't a good perk.
I don't blame the killer, I blame the perk for being outdated. And I blame myself for being so annoyed at the perk, too.
You said you saw where I was coming from initially so I hope that makes sense?
Edit: Oh also I hate DH so I never run it lmao ######### that perk
I don’t struggle with NOED as a solo player.
And i’m really starting to get exhausted from these NOED threads.
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I’m sorry if that sounded harsh I really shouldn’t have said that.
No and no. I don't even think it's impactful enough to warrant "doing bones". It takes a severe series of misplays on the part of the survivors to get snowballed by NOED.
If I get downed by NOED, it is what it is. That could happen at any point in the trial with any other instadown perk/mechanic.
If a teammate gets downed by NOED, I do a quick sweet of the totem spots in the area and play it safe. Don't greed the exit gates or play aggro. If I can't get the totem and save, I get a gate safely and leave. If the killer leaves the hook to pressure a gate, then I make a judgement call on saving.
There's zero reason to be bunched up out of position at endgame. If the killer has NOED, you'll get snowballed. If you're all injured, you'll get snowball. If they don't have NOED and you're healthy, they need two hits to down you anyway. In any case, THERE'S NO REASON TO BE OUT OF POSITION MILLING ABOUT NEAR THE GATE.
Have some game sense, people. There's so much more to playing survivor than running a jungle gym.
Used to be a problem for me once upon a time. Not anymore.
Sure, if they buff NOED as they have with dead hard. I'd suggest removing the totem aspect, like original NOED.
Eh, the totem aspect is the best part of the perk in my opinion. It's the only perk in the game that encourages survivors to cleanse dull totems, even if the execution of the perk is rather... flawed.
I'm not suggesting to buff NOED, I simply want both NOED and Dead Hard reworked.
I’m pretty content if I’ve reached endgame. NOED is just a comeback.
You rework something that is broken, bugged or is a design flaw. NOED and Dead Hard are none of these.
I'm I'm solo player 98% of the time and I have no problems with NOED at all.
Noed really isnt an issue. Ive been playing survivor a lot more, specifically solo q. i usually find the totems by luck and then cleanse/bless them. if i dont and theres noed and the killer is facecamping or im the last survivor? i leave.Not every game needs to be a 4 man escape
NOED is perfectly balanced I love the Dev's.
As a solo main. No problem. Just do totems. Killers resort to this perk cause people keep rushing gens. Stop rushing gens. Instead do 1 gen and do 1 totem along the way. If everyone does this... The problem is almost already solved before it starts.
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Tbh. I think noed is fine. So many counters to it. Whiny little brats are the real menace. "I got chased for 5 gens...but got downed and killed cause of noed. Nerf noed" or their favorite excuse: "noed is unfun". When i play solo surv. I bring anti totem perks. Just to make sure a killer doesnt have noed.
Hell one of my favorite combos right now are inner healing desperate measures. Always have an item. Always have a heal.
So what you're saying is that solo q needs to use perks and items to counter noed, while swf gets it for free.
It was the same thing when people complained about spirit and people just said "bring iron will".
You do know you don't need perks to cleanse totems right? ... RIGHT? The man just gave tips on how to make it easier.
Weird. I thought we were discussing NOED and not Spirit.
I'd kindly ask that any whataboutism be kept at home.
Bruv. If you dont have friends and need to solo q. Thats different issue. Just go make some friends to not solo q 4head.
A totem counter would be unbalanced. "But swf has that information readily available" so go make friends. "Why do solo q have to bring perks for that info" because you dont have friends. "I have friends" okay. Ask them to play with you. "They hate this game" go make more friends then. /S
REALLY THO. a totem counter would just be way more unbalanced. It would counter hex perks even more. Which in return killers will have very little good slow down perks. Which means gens will get slammed even harder. Which also buffs the hold w and predrop pallet meta. With that being said, if survivors get a totem counter? Can killers also get said totem counter? Esp with hex: permento coming out?
The only perk that should really be baseline is kindred.
It's an example, no need to be so rude about it :)
Please do not encourage people to play in SWF. Some people actually play solo because it is respectful and the right thing to do towards killers. Unless you want boring games where you stomp all over the killer?
I just assume every killer has it until I can figure out what perks they're running. I also try not to be stupid and go for saves I know I can't make while NOED is up.
Or maybe my friends don't play this game anymore? Are you implying everyone who plays solo doesn't have friends?
No one is being rude.
There are dozens of things you can bring to counter dozens of things.
This topic is about NOED, but if you want to make your own topic discussing Old or Current Spirit/Iron Will, I'll be the first one to contribute.
There is nothing disrespectful about using a game feature - Nothing, regardless of how you may personally feel.
I'm using the spirit example to discuss noed. Your comment sure was very passive aggressive, not the first time.
Seems like with that attitude you might also be lacking some.
At this point I'll assume you have nothing to add to the topic and are just continuously trying to bait me/derail the topic with drama.
Good luck in your games.