People are crying too much about her. She's annoying, but she's not overpowered.
To be honest she's really boring to play against. When in chases I felt like the killer had to mess up massively for the chase to last long. It's the same feeling I get when playing against a Trickster... it's just a matter of time until I'm dead, nothing I can do in terms of skill.
After a few games I thought to myself, when was the last time they released a killer where holding W isn't necessary? Well, the last 7 killers released (excluding Blight) have encouraged the brainless hold W and in many cases the brainless pre-drop pallet until you die strategies.
non anti loop killers are boring and dull to play as... its just pallet- pallet- pallet- pallet- pallet
lowkey this is going to encourage people to run iron maiden on her lol especially if they do this in chase
I love this killer. Any killer I love gets nerfed like a mother #########.
first match I got beat up messing around figuring her out. Second match I 4k’d. I don’t 4K very often.
I wish it was telegraphed to the player a bit better when a Crow can damage you and when it can't
Like make a crow glow a certain colour if it's in instant health state damage range or something
That's my only complaint about her really
I'd put a lot of killers ahead of her, but to each their own. I think people are massively overrating her chase potential. Still day 1 though.
Like which killers?
From what I can think of:
I forgot about some killers, but I can't think of anyone else except Twins who are stronger than Artist on average. The thing about The Artist is that you can't starve her of her power nor can you really counterplay it very easily compared to some of the killers I listed above
The most overrated ######### killer ever added I almost drove my ######### head into the wall cause of anger of playing her the gun rush squad the W holding I ######### want to spike my controller through my TV
If anything: 90%. We need to make sure 2 of 4 Megs will escape.
She's boring to play as and against. Just devolves into holding W simulator for both sides. Rather than addressing the clear issue this game is currently experiencing with new release killers being heavily anti-loop and enforcing that playstyle they just make it worse and worse.
The new map also feels like old Ormund, but worse. Massive map. Pallets that all run into one another and are incredibly safe. A center building that's ridiculously strong with a god pallet, that will loop into said outside loops. Absolutely horrible game design as a whole.
It's the strangest thing, the same mindgames done on ranged killers work on Artist, just bait her power and then vault or drop the pallet. Or shift + w if you don't want to outplay her.
Yeah, thing is, the same mindgames that are done on ranged killers can work on her power. Bait the power then vault. Or shift + w.
Survs even got a perk to counter her in the same patch for holding W more efficient. They dont even need to push any button and still complain xD
Against my better judgement, I played for a bit (at least with a VPN). The match I had as her makes me believe she can be insanely good with practice. Aside from the obvious strong anti-loop (which, yes, does have counterplay now that they can't act as traps with auto-damage), you can cut down on W holding if you're good enough. Angling the crows through a LOS blocker with proper timing can net you hits over time. I failed at this for a while, but managed to pull it off.
I actually only had one match against her as survivor. Unfortunately, I got chased to a lot of areas without pallets, so most of my experience against her is holding W, but that would have been the same for any killer. When I did get to loops, I could absolutely get her to waste her time whenever I had LOS blockers. You can force her to play around the loop, then leave when she's not expecting it, or actually go through the loop if she's expecting you to leave. She really doesn't have perfect info on you. She has to look where she's setting her crows after all. Either that, or the player was bad.
Scourge Hook perk is actually pretty impressive if you get a halfway decent map. She herself is map dependent strength. Large amounts of LoS with connected loops absolutely ruin her. Crows only do damage if you're effected by a crow storm or if they directly hit you, and since you can shoo the crows away in chase it makes some tiles a right pain in the patoot. Up down maps also are physically impossible. Game? Forget it. Silent Hill? Forget it. Maps she will shine on are narrow forcing maps. She'll do very well on Fathers Chapel, one of the few killers to do really well on Lerys, she can handle the corn maps okayish, she can do Dead Dawg pretty easily as long as you avoid backroad and just play center/gallows, basically like what every killer does on that map. She does really poorly on her own map, Red Forest, Ward, Temple of Purgation, RPD is by FAR her worst map, but thats every killers worst map except maybe low MMR Ghostface where survivors cant find anything.
She herself is VERY fun to play. I don't think she's S or even A tier. I'd put her in B+ for now. Her current state is probably A tier, but once survivors learn to play against her, or BHVR nerfs her, one of which will happen. She will go down in power. I've already seen survivors who know to simply hold W after you throw a crow. Your power takes a pretty decent time to recharge and if you just hold W and look behind you then Artist loses a bit of her strength. But for survivors who try and fancy loop and tbag, she's a menace
Very high skill ceiling, great killer Sadly though she encourages the literal worst type of play-style in the game. Also i suck at her so-
She got nuked and is probably a solid mid B tier down from high A on the PTB. New killers are not allowed to be any good after all.
I like her and had a cool 4k game with her (sadly just got a Ruthless rating ... the Adept Artist was thiiis close), but I won because of some very easy hits with the crows. I guess once survivors played her a few more times, you will have to mind game her crows or evade, just like with Pyramidhead.
Her painhook perk is very good. I didnt like the one, that shuts down gens after the 4th hook too much, but I guess thats ok, too. The Totem resurrect perk leaves a bad taste in my mouth, like its a counterplay to a counterplay to a counterplay; just throw meta at the meta and see which meta sticks. I got a feeling that this perk will be mostly worthless, but time will tell.
It was been said a few times in the past, but I will second it: why has she NO interaction with the crows on the map? This would have been an awesome opportunity (like there will probably never come another one THIS good) to design another cool and interesting perk around crows. Most of the time, crows are okay-ish, but severely under-utilized. (BTW, spies in the shadows is one of my most beloved perks. Its helps my map awareness with most killers soo much!) Oh well, don't cry over spilled milk, but I really think that this was a wasted opportunity of colossal scale.
Besides that, I look forward to learn to play her a bit longer. Tomorrow I will try to get that darn Adept Artist achievment, before survivors wisen up to her power too much, if it aint too late already ;D
I've been keeping stats of my matches as survivor since October 28th, and I plan on posting them soon towards mid-december maybe. The sample size for her is still small, on account that for some reason I've only been able to face a few, though I believe her power has some potential, so far she seems relatively balanced with the current state of people still learning how to play her and play against her.
I've not bought her yet, but playing vs her has been pretty boring on most tiles.
I can't buy the new killer yet so I can't tell you my opinions from the killer perspective.
I can't very well tell you how she is as survivor either because just about every one of my matches, no exaggerations, at least 2 teammates are dc'ing, killing themselves on hook or giving themselves to the killer in front of hooks. So the game lasts not even 2 minutes. I'm really getting annoyed with it. I really am. I haven't enjoyed this new chapter one bit because of all the rage quitting. I did have one normal game and she seems she could be super strong in the right hands. But take my opinion with a grain of salt, I haven't gotten the chance to play many full games against her.
Perfect killer. Amazing. 10/10. Make more of her, thanks.
She has scouting, sniping, 1v4, anti-loop, and she's related to birds. I can't imagine a better killer for me. It has been an absolute blast playing her tonight, and I can't believe how fun this game is again.
Discordance or Tinkerer procs nearby? Send a crow and walk over for a free swarm on arrival (meaning potential damage on next crow if I hit it).
Discordance or Tinkerer proc far away? Send two crows spaced ~20m apart to get a free damage state on them if they aren't paying attention to the crow's aura.
Annoying loop? Prep a crow over the pallet for a free hit, OR behind a wall if they can run away. Doing a hit behind a wall can confuse them into staying, and even though it only gets you a swarm, that's still potential for an easy hit in 5 seconds with the next one.
Multiple people around you, or objectives to focus on? Crow one side, hit the other.
Survivor holding W? Snipe them or recon gens as you chase until you find a new opening.
She has so many options, and making the correct decisions feels beyond amazing.
She feels so rewarding to play well and I love it. Even if I lose, I still have fun.
I think she's gonna get some nerfs soon. So many complaints (I can see why though).
Artist is not supposed to be played as a setting up killer like Clown though. Sure you can basically guarantee hits that way, but besides being boring it's not even efficient.
Her best way to damage imo is using a single crow to swarm a survivor and then another one to down. Using a single crow gives her only 5 seconds of cooldown while the repel action takes 9, so if you're good with your aim you can virtually damage survivors from ANYWHERE in the map. Just had a match where I was at the shack on Eyrie and swarmed a survigor that was by a gen at the main building, then I used another one and actually damaged him before he was able to repel. Not even Huntress could damage him in that situation due to LOS blockers. It's not even a matter of luck at this point because I had almost wallhacks with the swarm.
If you treat her more like a strategic (using crows to control survivors locations) and a killer that can injure by any distance, she is insane af.
Had my first match as her. Gotta say.... I dig it. She's cool. A little slow ish... but once I got the feel for her It was fun.
I really like the idea of pre placing birds at loops. Twice I was able to pull off hurting them with the birds by pre placing at a loop. Especially at shack wow.
The other was at a window. I saw the survivor making a B-line to it. I quickly dispatched the bird knowing I wasn't going to catch up and BAM got her.
Alot to learn. Was sloppy. Missed alot. However, tracking is nice. And scorge hook works!
Pimento.... it did work... but only bc this particular set of survivors actually did bones instead of boons.
I feel like until she becomes old news, most survivors won't do bones expecting to go against her. Run NOED, until the newness wears off and deploy Pimento.
I like her. It's going to take some time to perfect it.... but her perks are actually useful, power as well.
I hope the devs leave her alone. I feel like I can main her in this state.
So far I've played one game and I'm extremely confused
Of course since killers should always get nerfed and nothing should be done to survivors right :) How about we fix them damn boons first and then think? This killer isnt too strong she doesnt deserve any nerfs. You can easily counter her crows.
You survivors are really good at the hold W gameplay so just keep doing what you do best and she wont be much of a threat.
Everytime they release a killer who don't let you loop around a rock or a pile of boxes several times before droping the pallet or abusing infinites the survivors say "is boring" or "is annoying". Just adapt and don't play like you have the Benny Hill theme in the background, you are too used to that.
I'm bored of her.