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Is It Just Me Or Is The Artist...Kinda...

StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 5,466
edited December 2021 in General Discussions

Weak?

I mean, she's not raw-terrible like a few other killers, but the loss of her 'bird mines' hurt her more than I thought it would.

It's entirely possible that I just need to l2p, but a few observations:

  • Her addons seem rather mediocre. Especially the purples and iris - the drawbacks are insane when compared to their benefits. Her yellows, greens and browns are functional, but boring.
  • If I attempt to counter a loop, the second I start placing birds the survivor just holds W and they are gone.
  • 'Swarms' don't seem to last long enough for me to follow it up with another birb strike even if I only use 1 birb - and it's absurdly easy to juke. It looks nice, but doesn't really do much (the aura reading doesn't last very long if they just start repelling immediately).
  • Any map with varying elevation is a nightmare - Swamp is especially bad. Crows just sail over and under people even if I line up the shot wonderfully.
  • Penti essentially requires Plaything to work properly (her adept...man).
  • Scourge hooks remain insanely map dependent and almost necessitate Agitation to be consistently useful.
  • Her BP gains are pretty weak overall, especially Deviousness. There doesn't seem to be any bonus score applied for a bird damage state.

It feels like she would have been great back in the days of endless looping, but the 'hold W' meta is hard to play against.

That said, this is also how I felt about Cenobite (RIP good addons) before I figured him out.

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  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 5,466

    I'm becoming a fan of Penti+Retribution+Plaything perks wise - still trying to get Agitation unlocked on birb lady. I've never liked Ruin (unreliable) or Pop (takes too much time to utilize sometimes). I tend towards being very aggressive - Surge gets a lot of use on almost all my killers.

  • Bennett_They1ThemBennett_They1Them Member Posts: 2,328

    The crows are better as a threat then a weapon.

    like clown bottles you throw in the open.

  • HeartboundHeartbound Member Posts: 3,256

    Yeah I've been trying her with the limited time I have. I do adepts before I allow my killers to have perks and she's getting destroyed at my MMR. There's an achievement for downing someone with a crow but that takes way too long to do. Fortunately she's a normal speed killer.

    The crows are okay as scouting to see if a survivor is at a gen or in an area...but you still have to go down there and down them. My survivors just keep doing their gen. So as far as I'm concerned unless I'm doing something wrong she's just an M1 killer with a cool design. There's no reason/incentive to use the crows.

    This is coming from someone that has no problem just M1'ing down people on a slow killer, back when Trickster blades were useless per investment put into them. Note the minimal devious score.

    The birds also tell survivors you're coming so unless you're being cheeky just avoid them altogether and M1 them down. It's faster and more effective.

  • DehitayDehitay Member Posts: 1,723

    I also find her to be far stronger than average. She kills loops with ease. And if they see the dire crow get placed, unless the next loops is real close, she's gonna gain distance.

  • LabracLabrac Applicant Posts: 1,285

    Honestly I think it's a matter of L2P. Swarming with 1 bird and then using 3 to injure is strong af.

  • HeartboundHeartbound Member Posts: 3,256

    In this scenario you have used your killer ability twice, with one of those times being a full charge to get an injure on a single survivor. At minimum you're putting 20 seconds of investment into that maneuver, assuming you land your crows. It takes 80 seconds to complete a generator.

    So now you've got an injured survivor and you fire off three more crows and down them. 20 more seconds. Now you've got to go hook them. ~10 seconds. Now you've got to go find other survivors. Might be fast if you use your crows to scout.

    If it was an add on sure, but this is your ability. If I hit you with a giant bird head you need to be injured. I'll let the flock of crows just swarming you pass though since cross map shenanigans are kinda cheeky. Looking at you Huntress.

  • LabracLabrac Applicant Posts: 1,285

    The thing is that Artist has a way more reliable long range ability than Huntress. Sure she will take time to down survivors sometimes, but what other killers besides Nurse, Spirit and Blight can down survivors faster?

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 5,466

    Hag.

    Plague.

    Spirit.

    The biggest thing I'm finding with Artist is that people just prefer to leave loops against her the second I plant crows, and even faking it gives me a substantial slowdown and by the time I've caught up, they are at a safe loop and the process begins again.

  • HeartboundHeartbound Member Posts: 3,256

    I'd argue the survivors with one hit downs Hillbilly/Leatherface/Myers etc but I get what ya mean. I'll be on the look out to see what other people are doing with her. Who knows. I've seen some players carefully lining up crows so they hit after the invincibility for the survivor wears off so maybe we'll get a golf announcer for the Artist soon. Art is a pretty peaceful profession.

    Golf announcer: The artist is lining up the shot, it looks like she's judging the wind to see which way the survivor will run after getting swarmed. Here at the major league golfing club we take pride in our well lined up shots. Ah. There she goes. It looks like she got an injure.

    *muted golf clap from the audience*

    Golf announcer: It looks like that shot had a 32.3333% chance of landing. Repeating of course.

    Oni screams and runs in: LEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOY.

    *Golf announcer drops mic and the feed stops.*

  • Bennett_They1ThemBennett_They1Them Member Posts: 2,328

    you'll have more luck getting those damaged states if you use hands (not an insult, I mean the addon)

  • brokedownpalacebrokedownpalace Member Posts: 7,644

    It's been like a day.

  • SunsetSherbetSunsetSherbet Member Posts: 1,292

    But all the content creators and the forum told me she was extremely OP S tier with more potential than the Nurse!

  • VeinslayVeinslay Member Posts: 754

    The Artist is strong, but nothing is stronger than family

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 5,466

    Sure.

    Which is why my post title wasn't 'The Artist Needs A Buff'.

  • ImposeImpose Member Posts: 400

    After about 100 games with her. She's actually really not very good. Giant maps remove her. Any map with a decent tile connector (so basically all of them) invalidate her power.

    Being able to sprint while removing crows is unacceptable. Her nerf from PTB to live ruined her actual anti loop.

  • blue4zionblue4zion Member Posts: 2,420

    Seems better than full 80 second chases where three gens pop.

  • MassquwattMassquwatt Member Posts: 263

    I don't even mind that you can remove crows while sprinting because it prevents from you doing other actions and the moment you stop it resets the progress. It's just the time it take to remove crows just BARELY gives you enough time to fire a second one off if you've used one crow. The most annoying part is that smarter survivors will just jump into lockers to dispell the crows earlier than they should making long range attacks almost impossible.

  • IronKnight55IronKnight55 Member Posts: 2,383

    Definitely not weak. She's actually pretty strong.

  • LabracLabrac Applicant Posts: 1,285

    Plague without her Corrupt is still a M1 killer, and COH makes me question if Hag is even B tier nowadays.

    The thing about Artist is that she's not a set up killer. You're not supposed to be planting crows in every pallet because obviously survivors are just going to run away. Think of her as a Huntress instead, and use single Crows to get Swarms, and all 3 to guarantee hits.

  • LabracLabrac Applicant Posts: 1,285

    That was a 10/10 comment, made my night lol. She's been out for like a day, so people will eventually figure out her strongest playstyle. Just like it took a while to figure Pinhead's playstyle is going for the box when possible.

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 5,466

    I've been doing okay as Hag vs CoH. The way it plays out is I hit them, they run and they hit another trap and I down them.

    Plague can mow down entire teams with corrupt, and without it, you're an permanent instakiller with wallhacks thanks to her iri.

    That's exactly how I play her, the problem being that she loses a lot of speed and crows are ridiculously easy to juke.

  • BloodshadeBloodshade Member Posts: 2,332

    ScottJund showed off the 1 crow into 3 crow shotgun strat today. It requires the cooldown reduction on shot add-on + repel duration add-on (yellow and brown respectively). With those add-ons her viability rises.

    As it stands I feel like they actually do need to make those add-ons basekit, because W is too strong against her otherwise.

  • YordsYords Member Posts: 5,553
    edited December 2021

    Was expecting you to say "hot" or some other word used to describe someone as attractive.

  • IrisoraIrisora Member Posts: 1,326

    You are not wrong shes kinda disappointing in high mmr.. survivors learned to play against her really fast. Shes below a huntress in a tier list.

  • nostrada96assnostrada96ass Member Posts: 257

    that sounds very low tier but i think same as pyramid head...4.6 with viable ranged attack can't be weak

  • IronKnight55IronKnight55 Member Posts: 2,383

    She isn't weak. Crow lady isn't the best killer in the game, but she's not bad at all. She is pretty good if played correctly.

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