Well, unfortunately, I can't really say I'm convinced at this being "labor of love." I'd say the amount of content put out is base line for a live service game, and the lack of polish does not speak to me as a labor of love.
I'm deathly curious to know what people think "labour of love" actually means. It seems like everyone expects some implied baseline of quality from something described that way, which is really weird to me.
Not me, thanks for asking :)
The one positive thing they did for me personally was Artist. But I already know it is only a matter of time before the "She is overperforming, we are nerfing pig" argument comes out. So even on that my joy is extremely tempered, as I look at their history of decision making.
If they wanted to win that award, for me they would have had to make that 'joke patch' a real patch. That would be a good start for gaining the love of the community back.
Only if by "Labor of Love" they mean "Labor of Love of Money" or "Labor of Love of Testing Breaking Point of Playerbase."
Ah no. No Man's Sky again for me this year; real events, new content, all free!
Compared to every other indie game on the market? Absolutely not. The vast majority of the community is not happy with the game, and this goes beyond the community being somewhat whiny. Simple problems are ignored, large community outcries are responded to tactlessly, and it's not a coincidence that the appearance of any other game in this genre has tons of people looking for greener pastures.
Whatever love is or was here, I definitely don't feel it. And for a company that was said to be one of the best to work at, it doesn't really seem to be translating to their product which is REALLY disappointing.
This game feels like someone got lucky with something catching on and ran with it as best they could for as long as they could, but we're way past that point right now.
I really don't know why so many people are resistant to the idea that BHVR obviously care a lot about their darling, and they're just somewhat bad at balancing + ongoing development. Does it make it easier to swallow to think they're greedy corporate scumbags who don't care about the game or something?
Why is that weird? You seem to be the only person who doesn't have some expectation of quality. Even the one other person in this thread who said yes is speaking about the quality of the game.
Because that's not what that phrase means? Either there's the literal definition- something undertaken out of passion without being paid- that doesn't apply to this context, or there's the definition supplied by Steam; developers who continually update and care for their game in an active capacity.
That doesn't imply quality anywhere. I don't think the game is as dramatically busted as others, but even if it were, that doesn't technically apply here. What's being measured is how much developers care for their game, and I think it's incredibly obvious that BHVR care deeply- they're just inconsistently competent at actually applying that to the game's quality.
The implication is that a product of a labor of love will generally have a quality that matches that labor of love. Hence, the expectation that a labor of love will stand out in that regard, even if it can be a little rough around the edges in places.
TBH, I don't really believe that what BHVR is doing is necessarily a sign of caring deeply. No more than any other game that continuously pumps out content. Like, what makes BHVR's efforts toward the game more a "labor of love" than other games?
Nobody is going to deny that their are problems with the game but to say the vast majority of the community being unhappy with the game is not entirely correct.
These forums are but a fraction of the community, they don't reprisent the whole community. If the vast mayority was unhappy the vast mayority would stop playing it. And that's not what's happening.
If you don't believe the quality warrants voting for it as a winner, then by all means, don't vote for it to win, but people keep responding to me as though they aren't a legitimate nominee and as though they're corporate scumbags pumping out lazy, uncaring cash grabs, which is what I'm disputing.
As for what I'm basing it on, I'm basing it on how much work and care is put into the content they produce. Maybe less so the events, those are getting a little sloppy, but each DLC clearly has a lot of work put into it, far more than any cash grab. That's not to say there aren't problems with them, nor that they're even really needed, but they clearly aren't a product of not caring about what you're pumping out.
I think what they are doing right now is about the minimum they need to do. I don't think they're going above and beyond. Characters, maps, and some costumes, with the occasional barebones event. Rinse and repeat. That's just their quarterly cycle. I don't see what makes that stand out effort-wise compared to a game like, say, Fortnite.
I definitely will not.
Yea, please go check where they put out the word asking for votes on any platform. Twitter, reddit, their own discord, their own forum, even Steam. Everyone laughed.
You missed the part where I mentioned their terrible reactions to the community outside of the game. So you'll need to inform me on where you think this love is that the rest of us are so blind to.
If you stopped trying to paint differing opinions to make yourself feel like you have an optimistic high ground, this would be a much simpler discussion.
What terrible reactions are you referring to, exactly? I've seen a few examples before, but they've never been particularly compelling as even incorrect, let alone reason to start slinging around comments about not caring or what have you.
BHVR got me to play Fortnite again because of their weird decisions.
Not a chance.
Stagnation. Minimal content development. Constant bugs, some of which never get fixed. Outdated and amateurish balancing and design philosophy. Failure to acknowledge or address core design issues. Broken game on console for years. Greed. Lack of respect for playerbase. The list goes on.
I still play the game, albeit not too often, but that’s only because there’s no viable alternative and it has great potential. Once VHS is out I’ll be spending most of my gaming time there. I’ll still check back occasionally as DBD is unique, no matter how flawed.
Just because you don't think they're compelling doesn't mean they weren't to everyone else.
I will! I personally think they deserve it. The game isn't perfect, but it's gotten so much better over the years. It's pretty balanced as well.
List of good reasons why I should
And just because you do think they're compelling doesn't mean they were to anyone else, either.
Terraria all the way
I did without even noticing that asked for it
I've just been playing for 5years lmao
I feel like the amount of people on every social media platform saying they dont deserve the nom does...
Negativity bias. Fewer people feel inclined to post about a game they're enjoying just to say they enjoy it, but people are very inclined to talk about something they dislike. Not to mention that the social media platforms tend to be almost entirely negative anyway- even the DS change got an overwhelmingly negative response on twitter despite it being one of the best changes they've made.
This goes triple when it comes to things like the examples I'm usually shown for BHVR showing a lack of respect for their playerbase. Like the "play something else" clip, where the one dev, whoever it was, just gave the correct answer to the question being presented, or any given accusation of BHVR lying when that isn't happening.
Not to say they're perfect devs, they're not, I'm not defending them.
If your every argument is just "These things they did wrong don't mean anything" or "These people don't represent anything meaningful" then no need to have this convo. Agree to disagree.
Uhhh... huh? Mind clarifying? I'm not sure what you're getting at here.