Well I stopped playing survivor for over a year because solo queue is such an unbearable shitshow. I am considering myself a casual player, but that doesn't mean I like to be completely out of control of the match outcome and enjoy 80% of matches being 4ks for the killer with 3-5 gens left. I just didn't feel the need to write a goodbye post just because I'm personally not having fun anymore while many others still do (besides, I wasn't really saying goodbye to the whole game, I was playing killer during that time. It's 100% the better experience because I'm fully in control and if I lose it's only up to me).
Yep. A lot of killers just want much easier games. This is also why they complain about MMR so much. Killer isn't that hard (unless you get a VERY good SWF team). It's kinda funny seeing all these threads at this point, though. Very entertaing to read.
Yep. It's pretty obvious.
The name is sheer irony.
It's not a matter of 'being good'.
When I can play 10 matches out with the same build, same level of skill and same style, but:
Then my lack of enjoyment doesn't come down to 'play better' - it comes down to design problems and the community.
Difference between knowing what they are doing and being just plain evil in how they play. I’m fine with a team not being complete noobs. I’m not fine with map offerings, DH, DS, BT, and two flashlights. Add on the rude behavior, trolling, and hit validation. It’s too much.
And I was trying to explain the reason.
Killers have a lot of legitimate gripes. The role is stressful, and a big part of that stress comes from some areas of this game that are poorly designed, outdated or imbalanced. Combine that with how BM survivors generally are, and you get one role that is becoming increasingly frustrated. They then come to the forums to express that frustration and suggest ways to improve things.
Aren't you the guy that pops up in basically every thread and goes 'no, x killer is totally fine, I main that killer trust me'?
When one side of your game is incredibly unhappy with how things are, then it's usually an indication that something needs to change.
Part of that change is going to be balance related. Part of that change is going to be moderating this community and getting rid of the chuds.
Easier =/= Fairer.
We want fairer games. Stop matching 10k hour fully stacked stompcomps up against killers with a few hundred hours. Fix the maps so that you can't just loop a killer for 5 minutes on a pseudo-infinite because you got a lucky window spawn. Bring all killers up to Plague level.
It's also pretty amusing how you constantly claim to play killer, and yet - whenever you pop up - you make me think of Elmer Fudd in a rabbit disguise.
If you want to disagree, explain your reasons. Otherwise, you're just that 'git gud' meme.
those killer mains who make these threads are just baiting. they're really not leaving, they're just hoping that bhvr will make the game easier for them by expressing the woes of killer. if they were really leaving, why tf would you open a thread? just move on to the next game then
No, I usually only say that when I get accused of being a noob survivor main by all the salty killers on this forum. I am allowed to post as long as I'm not breaking the rules and I will continue to do so.
Shrug. That's on you then. Just remember - it's fine to be wrong, but when you stubbornly stick to your guns despite people spelling out in great detail why you are wrong and your only response is 'no u' - then you really are just embarrassing yourself. And this is the case whenever anyone tries to have a discussion with you.
Your constant, ever changing 'x is fine, I play that killer' responses really do not contribute anything to a discussion besides derailing it.
Is that your intention?
Because it's entirely possible to really like something, but also point out it's flaws and give feedback on how to fix them.
Naturally, this is the internet - so any feedback you agree with is amazing and if the devs don't implement it immediately they clearly don't care about their game, and any feedback you disagree with is whining and should probably just get people permabanned.
Honestly, i have a burn out with DbD, and i'm playing both sides.
The game is unfair, there is always something that is unfair, everytime.
I have around 2000 hours. Never felt so bad with DbD. I just don't want to play anymore.
I already explained that in the post above.
I honestly have a hard time (without accusing anyone specific) believing all those "I play killer and survivors equally and I have no problem getting 4ks while playing casually".
Apparently it's just "SBMM doing its job". I guess that a lot of this people haven't really experienced the killers side in a meaningful way, besides doing a daily ritual here or there. Playing survivors a few days opened my eyes to how aweful real tunneling feels. But really aweful SWF stomp groups won't show up just at the casual low ranks.
Sorry if this comes over as entitled or salty, for I am not salty at all.
No you didn't, but I'm not going to spend another hour going around in circles with you again.
Just understand that when people are frustrated and making balance suggestions, popping into their threads and just negating everything without trying even slightly to defend this negation, all you are doing is derailing them.
I'm both salty and as good as I think I am.
Going into a thread and giving my opinion on the topic being discussed isn't derailing it. If you or anyone else has a problem with my posts, then feel free to ignore them.
Indeed, every view and opinion is valued in asserting the situation at hand, not just the ones confirming our biases. So keep going on.
Stressful survivor game - tunnelled and over in 2 mins; possible abuse by 1 person.
Stressful killer game - taunted and immasculated for 20mins; potentially abused at the end by 4 people.
I know which my mental health would prefer.
I stopped reading the thread at this post because it is completely spot on.
I'm up to the red ranks for survivor and I'm at silver 1 on killer, I play survivor more often but I still put in a fair bit of time with killer, I'll probably have 3 survivor games to 1 killer game but I enjoy both, yes killer can be extremely unrewarding and at times downright unenjoyable, pop back onto survivor have a couple of chilled out games and then go back to killer.
And when I say that killer can be extremely unrewarding it can also be a helluva lot more rewarding than survivor.
escaping a game after escaping three chases getting 2 unhooks and popping 3 gens is nowhere near as rewarding as nailing your perks, acing all of your chases and getting 4k with only one or two gens pop as killer
You don't see many killer mains "leaving" you see a lot of them announcing it just because they want attention.
Pretty much this.
Don't bother with how much killer this guy claims to play he doesn't have time to play survivor. Everyone of his post are killer is ez I 4k no perk gg get gud posts.
Nope. I play both sides equally. 🤷♂️
Edit- When have I said I don't use perks? I've only ever said I don't use addons because I like the extra challange and it feels more rewarding. I also don't 4K every game. I struggle just like others sometimes when I go against a good SWF team. I don't go against swat squads every game like apparently all of these other killers do.
I think much of the balance of DBD is subjective and mostly tied that person’s own experience. So for some people playing “sweaty” is playing normal, for others playing “casual” is playing bad, and for the ones that don’t care “casual” is normal mode. Etc.
I believe there is an in between, and also the balance changes based on skill of the person and perks brought. Not because the perks are not balanced but because of the RNG-based concept DBD has. Where you could bring something that doesn’t even help you in the situations you are about to face, because, there is no way of knowing them ahead of time.
I have had so many matches where a killer might have brought a nasty slow down build (they do exist). Survivors were still able to push gens even though it might have taken forever and the killer still thought they were “genrushed” even though they might have gotten 9 out of the 12 hooks. That to me is illogical, the same way I consider someone who has not tried playing survivor speaking on survivor perks, and vice versa… illogical.
Anyway, the point is they want the system to hit the sweet spot, but I personally don’t think that will be possible all the time. Considering that RNG plays a big part (maps, set ups, gen/totem/hook spawns, casual vs non-casual, etc.)
These 2 post charts were 2 matches next to each other.
From a team that didnt know where to ran, how to loop. MMR up and suddenly everyone knew how to loops with DH.
Both matches, I play Spirit without using power, only 110% chase, no tunnel, no camp, no kill secure.
The left match, I gave everyone 4 hooks stages (I would slug anyone on death hook for the 4th chance) and still 4k (16 hooks total). The right match, 6 hooks. Of course I could 4k the right team if I use power, better perks, tunnel/camp.
But this is just an example that shows the gap between 2 teams once your MMR makes 1 step up is huge. It can go between boring to stressful match in a note.
I'm currently at Iri 1 for killer and Iri 3 for survivor (solo queue). I most certainly do not get 4Ks each match and when I got my MMR back down to a level where matches are enjoyable again I alternate hooks so no survivor dies before the fifth or sixth hook so my MMR stays at an enjoyable level.
Despite not tunneling or camping, I still get BMed a few times per day and still run into bully squads of SWF whose only goal is to try to ruin my day. When I'm playing killers that are weaker or I'm unfamiliar with the BMing Increases a lot. The majority of survivors are cool and fun but there is a very significantly sized portion that is just out to ruin people's experience; I encounter more toxic survivors than I encounter toxic killers.
Survivor, even though I solo queue, is easier, less stressful, and less demanding in my experience than playing killer.
BHVR needs to step up its moderation and/or start buffing the weaker killers.
That killer is too strong mimimi! I have to press one button for my main objective, that's too much work! Nobody needs more skill than we survivor mains!
This guy speaks the truth.
It's also the SWF or the really high rated survivor being toxic and being rewarded for it.
A stale gameplay loop, a busted meta and a never ending grind walk into a saloon...
kindred camraderie is normaly what i take with me in soloq. and dont forget its a 4v1 if they do gens while you get camped its a 3 man escape. and tbh 70% of the time they camp with a reason (clicky,got annoyed last round, hacks,etc)