Stop making popular streamers the voice of the DBD community.
It would be pretty sad if the dude who lives and breathes DBD couldn't beat some randoms
Unironically, a certain dev plays exactly like in your noed example. It makes one put things into perspective.
His job is to play this game, this comparison is absurd. Most players have jobs, colleges etc, he is dedicated almost 99% to the game.
All Otz proved is that if you play the game for 8 hours a day (for years), and use strong builds, you can win consistently. People already knew that.
Not everyone has as many hours as Otz, or for that matter, as many meta builds on every Killer.
the thing i hate the most about these post is they don't post a clip.
You have ZERO excuses, twitch has a clipping system and otz doesn't care if you clip/post his stuff, the least you could do is provide a link.
Did you not see that compared to his other streaks, he got a 20 on Pinhead instead of his usual 50?
Just because you used meta builds doesn't mean you'll always win, the game still takes skill to play and trust me when I say most of the killers in dbd get utterly dominated by higher tier survivors compared to the higher tier killers against higher tier survivors
You are more likely going to 4k with Nurse than 4k with Pinhead for example
BHVR needs to go through and fix all the killers in dbd that simply do not fit with the gameplay now (Pig, trapper, pinhead, legion, Twins, Demo *Probably not demo but still mentioning it*, Ghostface, Nemesis, Freddy again, Michael, Wraith, Trickster, and Slinger) and bring them up to the degree of the higher tier killers, but also work on the perks that people forgot even existed (Lmao ya'll 100% forgot hangman's trick existed, along with many others), same goes for the survivor perks that are also utterly useless and bring them to the strength that the survivor meta holds onto (Nobody uses visionary)
Who is Otzdarva?
These forums are such a killer-sided echo-chamber that it's not even funny sometimes.
That doesn't prove anything.
Otz is an experienced player who has been in the Fog since Pig's release. His content proves that an experienced player could win against those specific Survivors, at that point in time, by using a specific build and playing in a specific manner.
The things is, not every single killer has the same level of experience, or wants to run the same builds, or will face the same survivors, and the list goes on...
Streamers like him play DBD for 8 hours a day or so because they get payed to, and that obviously makes you see the game through a different approach that doesn't reflect how the situation actually is for the majority of the community.
Is killer impossible? Nope, definitely not.
Is this the best it has ever been for killers? Also no.
MMR shenanigans and the overpowered Boons create situations where matches are really sweaty and frustrating, and killers just happen to get the worst of it.
It's more when people try to use him as an example that the game isn't balanced.
That's like setting a comp team loose in pubs and saying "look look, every Survivor needs nerfed."
Otz isn't a comp player, but he is good. He plays everyday and it is his job. He is not the norm.
Correct. What Otz PROVED is that if you are skilled and play well you can still do great as a killer (not 4K every game but still do great). People dismissing it as, "But it's Otzs" are essentially arguing that they should be able to do great as killer WITHOUT being as skilled as the great killers.
The devs aren't dumb, they easily see (just like us) what each side is capable of. They know SWF coordination can be powerful. They know killers can usually secure 2 kills, easily over the course of a match. They know soloQ can be rough. The only difference is, they don't have our biases and they have the numbers.
I guarantee I can find several examples of where a Killer-player posted some streamer video suggested survivors are OP and almost everyone agrees with them. Yet you have the exact opposite happen and almost everyone on the forum disagrees.
Heck, I've seen it where someone will post a single screenshot of one match and almost everyone on the forum will agree survivors are OP.
Because one of those checks out math-wise. If Survivors play well, the match is theirs to lose. That doesn't mean Killers don't have a shot, but it does mean they rely on Survivor mistakes in order to win.
Killer is for sure OP at lower MMR though. No doubt about it.
Probably he is low mmr, because every killer complaining in this forum always play against a death squad swf
It doesn't though. Up further in this discussion is the kill-rates posted by BHVR itself. And if you look at it, it shows the Killers as having a little above 50% kill rate on average, slightly leaning toward the Killer side.
I don't doubt that high level SWF play can beat high level Killer play, but that's the exact same as discounting what Otz is saying, because he is a professional.
And I'm pretty sure we've had discussions on why those Kill Rates are completely unusable in any serious argument.
Yeah its funny because some people dont take the maps into consideration. The majority of the maps are survivor sided with a couple of killer sided ones and the rest balanced (McMillan Estate etc). Even with gen defense perks its hard. The only advantage killers may have on bad maps like RPD station, That new map , Haddonfield and Red Forest is that if you have Undying/Ruin your Ruin may stay up long enough for you to slow the survivors down and get a win ie a3/4k.
DBD is survivor sided and does not cater to competitive players like myself at all. Solo is like hardcore DBD which makes it interesting. Survivor sided but still a fun game!
I agree with you: perks, add-ons, survivor-comp, maps, etc all contribute to the chances of each side winning. I also agree that this game will never be perfectly balanced. I do think we can both agree that average kills vs escapes (over a long period of time) can give us a clue as to how balanced the game currently is and is possibly the only way to get any idea on balance.
I mean, has he done KYF matches with him as the Killer against the same group he does that SWF one-life-only with?
FYI A second kill isn’t guaranteed with NOED if the survivors are healthy and on first hook. They can find the totem, cleanse it, then do a Borrowed Time plus DS save.
Also even when it works 2 kills is a draw, not a win, even by MMR standards.
this is a global statistic.
I would be more interested in charts regarding MMR range
First of all Otz has like what... 10k hours about now? He represent the top 0.5%. Besides what he is testing you can't possibly ever do correct, unless you spread the statistics over 1000 matches. ofcrouse survivors have the advantage, especially when its a swf with discord :D that is just pure logic.
A 2K at 4 hooks with NOED is different then a 2K with 10 hooks.
Yet, according to those Kill Rates, those matches are the exact same.
Yeah but you failed to mention that there are also killer add on restrictions as well.
The comp scene shouldn't be used as a major source of evidence for the killer vs survivor sided argument. Comp is played much differently then your normal play. They have a clearly defined objective/point/win system that standard play doesn't have.
You'd need him to play customs vs a sweaty SWF for a ton of matches to really prove anything.
I think every killer has their own MMR now so he would have to keep playing those killers continuously until he knew for a fact that he was playing high MMR games. Instead he took each killer and played 1-2 games with them, barely getting any MMR I'm sure, and saying "Look! Its balanced"
not against Bubba
The Bubba argument drives me bat ######### crazy. Every survivor acts like when Bubba is around it's a guaranteed 2k. What? Did that first survivor START on the hook?
Against a somewhat competent team that Bubba is going to have to go through 15 pallets for his first down.