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Otzdarva is proving you that the game is not Survivor sided

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  • AJStyIezAJStyIez Member Posts: 151

    I like Otz but like many people pointed out this proves nothing so you should fix your title. Before somebody complains that its a Killer echo chamber I'm a Survivor main so that's not a good strawman to use. The majority of my social media footage and Twitch footage is Survivor, I just happen to play a lot of Killer as well (2924 Kills in total)

    Kill rates are useless in arguments, the Developers are quoted on these same "echo chamber forums" saying this themselves, the best players know and acknowledge the game at the high end favors Survivors. The thing that people keep trying to do is using fallacies and acting as if people mean its impossible to win beyond a certain level when they say its survivor sided, nobody is saying its impossible so that narrative needs to die. People just say that towards the higher brackets of MMR, your skill as a Killer matters less and less, what matters more is what perks/addons/maps are played and how many mistakes the Survivors make.

    Its not a random thought echoed on a chamber when some of the same, the same content creators people cherrypick quotes from are quoted agreeing with this at various points of time so arguing over it is silly.

    TLDR: Strawman argument so incorrect. Otz hasn't proved anything, Top MMR brackets favor Survivor but it does not mean its impossible for Killers to win at this level. It just means that their individual skill matters less, the maps/perks/addons/survivor mistakes matter more and the opposite is true in Low MMR brackets

  • IamFranIamFran Member Posts: 1,115

    For proving that point he must play against a team of full meta perks with Purple Medkits, Toolboxes with BNPs and having around the same amount of hours he have. He's a very experienced killer using broken addons against a bunch of randoms, that proves nothing.

  • apathyincapathyinc Member Posts: 373

    It doesn't seem like he is showing that the game isn't survivor sided, as much as he is showing that if you take the top perks and play to win at all costs, then it is possible to win at all costs. He has done the same thing with survivor/SWF and had the same results.

  • Marc_123Marc_123 Member Posts: 2,403

    Look up Team Oracle vs some streamers - that is some hard stuff.

  • MrPeanutbutterMrPeanutbutter Member Posts: 952

    Sorry, this is a terrible conclusion to draw. 99.9% of killers do not have the skill or time in the game that Otz does

  • Marc_123Marc_123 Member Posts: 2,403

    What is often forgotten is, that i as normal killer don´t have all these powerful addons. You need an insane amount of Bloodpoints to get a lot of these.

  • JeanCharpentierJeanCharpentier Member Posts: 370

    Everyone is playing DH/DS, even at a really low MMR : on some killers, i often leave 3 survivors escape as i have pity... loosing a ton of MMR and everyone has DH/DS/BT etc...

    I have seen some of the Otz's stream... with the trapper he was facing baby survivors.

    I'm pretty sure he is de-ranking off stream on the weakest killers to give some entertainment and variety to his streams. No one would look someone camping/tunneling to win or someone loosing every trials with 3 hooks only.

  • VeinslayVeinslay Member Posts: 1,110

    Kill rate stats are so juked that no one should take them seriously. If I'm playing against really good survivors, a lot of the time if I get 2 - 3 kills it's because someone just threw themselves at me in the EGC trying to save my one kill that I was going to get. They could have just left and it would have been a 1k

  • hikenhiken Member Posts: 891

    u talking about the low mmr killers he always paly against in his videos where he performs cj techs, dumb techs and else?.

  • clowninaboutclowninabout Member Posts: 71

    I can believe this, his content seems to have changed a bit since the hour of the witch update. No more 50 win streaks for example. He is an amazingly good killer and I like Otz but he is a content creator making videos for yt also, got to have something to fill them.

    For contrast if you ever watch tru3 on stream he just consistently plays game after game, both sides but sometimes killer focused streams. Now he really is top mmr and it shows, swf's making use of all the kit that survivors have available. Like otz he is really really good and does well, but you do see the stuff that top survivors can get away with.

  • ChordycepsChordyceps Member Posts: 993

    Well you also have to remember that Otz is like, really really good at this game. So as much as I enjoy his content, he may not be the best comparison point when it comes to the experiences of your typical player.

  • MunqaxusMunqaxus Member Posts: 2,752

    When you included the average, then the 2k with 4 hooks NOED game, is balanced out with all the other games.

    Also, since NOED is in the game, then NOED has to be counted. People may consider it a lower skill perk, but if you don't include it, then the game isn't balanced to what is currently in the game. Plus, there are several perk combos that work with NOED.

    I play both sides. When I played survivor, I wanted the Developers to remove the hatch because the hatch was artificially inflating escape rates. And I knew that with it's removal, survivors would be buffed (Which they were).

    From a Killer-player prospective, I'm the same with face-camping and proxy-tunneling. Those 2 tactics are artificially raising Killer kill rates and those 2 skills are extremely low-skill-ceiling.

    However, since they are in the game, they must be counted for kills and escapes.

  • ShapedShaped Member Posts: 5,329
    edited December 2021

    I have 4x more hours on survivor and still think that game is surv sided when team doesn't mess around and have basic understanding of tiles.

  • RepostRiposteRepostRiposte Member Posts: 793
    edited December 2021

    Yo quick question do you think Nurse is by far the worst killer in the game and that Pig is S+ tier?

    Just wondering why you believe so strongly in the stats of a party game.

    Every competitive game uses stats from their equivalent of "high-elo". Rainbow Six does not balance the game around Copper IV players just as League refrains from buffing 44% winrate champions because they are strong in competitive and terrible in SoloQ.

    Dead by Daylight doesn't have accurate elo, and even if it did the developers don't want to show MMR. This game will never be balanced.

    TL;DR The NBA doesn't lower the hoop to 6 feet because 2nd graders can't reach

  • katoptriskatoptris Member Posts: 2,435
    edited December 2021

    Otz is a strategist player that play both side. He know what trap is going to take you out as trapper. As survivor I don't think i seen him run the same meta as other. He find way to incorporate different perks. You can't compare him to someone who is a regular.

  • Johnny_XManJohnny_XMan Member Posts: 5,878

    So does casual players only matter when they are killers then?

    Because as far as these forums go, they think that devs shouldn't be balancing for the casual player.

  • DeliciousFoodDeliciousFood Member Posts: 460

    Because comp =/= Public matches. Also they're not what the whiny and polarising forum spammers cry about. Comp is dumb and this game was never, nor will it ever be, made for any sort of competitive scene.

    You are not facing comp players. You are facing the same casual turds Otz is stomping with every killer. The only variable is that most people are absolute scrubs next to Otz. Which is fair, he does this for a living and he's talented in mastering games and entering rigorous mindsets to achieve greatness in games he loves (Dark Souls for example). But ultimately he's proving that with skill, the 'sided' arguments just stem from people's shortcomings and putting the fault on the other side.

    Though I won't deny the game's design is incredibly flawed.

  • themoobs1984themoobs1984 Member Posts: 619

    He used really good perks with "god" tier add-ons. Your words. Exactly what point are you trying to make?

  • Gamedozer7Gamedozer7 Member Posts: 1,984

    These mean nothing it says the nurse is the worst killer in game at 42%

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