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Overall opinion of The Hag

CLB198CLB198 Member Posts: 283
edited December 2021 in General Discussions

From both a survivor or killer side, what is the communities opinion of The Hag.

Edit: I forgot to ask for reasons.

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  • TheGannManTheGannMan Member Posts: 8,502

    Delete her please (joke)

  • Aven_FallenAven_Fallen Member Posts: 11,548

    Tofu has a great Clip about it:

    Same can be said for playing Hag - if there is a Trap, you win. If not, you lose. She is not really fun to play IMO and not fun to play against. One of the most disliked Killers from my side, but I am glad that she is also not popular among other players, so I guess quite a bunch of people think she is unfun to play. Because she is one of the strongest Killers and yet I see her once in a blue moon.

  • Regulus47Regulus47 Member Posts: 148

    Haha, I like hag. She's really unique and has strengths and weaknesses, and feels pretty balanced when I play as/vs her. The only part that sucks about her is traps next to hooks, but I don't really see how you can fix that. You either make it so that she can't place traps close to a hooked survivor and then she just does a twins and pre-places traps, or you make it so she can't place traps next to any hook and her power becomes really bad and finicky on a lot of maps.

  • CashelP14CashelP14 Member Posts: 5,276

    Well I've said on here for years now I absolutely despise Hag. I find playing as her unfun and find playing against her extremely unfun.

    For me you'll only get a few different type of Hag games when playing as survivor.

    1. A Bad Hag: This one is terrible at the game. You basically can never go down because she gives up on traps too early in the game and just runs at a slower speed than most killers (haven't seen since MMR). Easy win so it's boring.
    2. Hag Main: No matter where you run, you hit a trap. These Hags will scroll wheel teleport and hit you immediately as soon as a trap is set off. Your skills at looping are worth nothing in most chases since by the time you see the trap, you've set it off and been hit. Having to walk or crouch everywhere is also extremely boring.
    3. Camping Hags: These Hags just put all the traps around your hook and camp. These can be good or bad at her. Nothing much to say to be honest.

    All of this and I don't even talk about Mint Rag or Rusty Shackles. These add-ons plus having a Devour Hope or basement build is extremely annoying.

    Never had a fun Hag game in my life. Playing as or vs her.

  • Huge_BushHuge_Bush Member Posts: 3,067

    As a killer, she was fun against average teams and terrible against sweaty swf teams who knew how and when to disarm my webs.

    As a survivor, I liked how she forced players to slow down and not rush everywhere and it made my use of Urban Evasion shine. Unfortunately, I only play solo queue and 97% of teammates don't know how to counter her and just set of her traps and go down in 5 seconds.

  • dugmandugman Member Posts: 5,904

    Hag is unusual because she has both a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling. Anybody can play Hag out the gate by dropping down traps and spamming teleport to get quick hits and do sort of ok. But to beat survivors who know how Hag works you have to use more advanced tactics and have really solid game awareness and a sense of what survivors are going to do when they get into chase and such.

  • StarLostStarLost Member Posts: 5,397

    I enjoy her. My thoughts:

    • Powerful, but a bit behind the current meta.
    • Not quite as strong as some people make her out to be.
    • Mostly sort of boring addons, with a few truly awful ones.
    • Easy to pick up, impossible to ever truly master.
  • WishIcouldmainWishIcouldmain Member Posts: 3,866

    In a near perfect spot. She has a unique play style compared to normal game formula. And has unique survivor interactions. But her whole run back to hook with 5 traps around it needs to go. Since it forces loose loose situations.

  • HeartboundHeartbound Member Posts: 3,256

    As survivor I can't be bothered with worrying about traps unless I'm next to a hooked survivor. I instantly assume there is a triangle somewhere and I'll crouch walk to the hook. If the hooked survivor panics and sets it off or I hear the terror radius then I'll tank a hit. I just need to get the survivor off the hook and I'm happy.

    If the Hag is good I really don't want to play against her anyway so I trip traps and throw my hands up and say 'whatchu gonna do 'bout it'. Hooking a survivor? You best believe I'm gonna sprint around the map like a doggo fresh out of the bath.

    Hag either does something or she doesn't. Chase me slowpoke, I don't care. I run heal heavy builds so slapping me once and teleporting away does nothing for ya. I play against Hag like I was about to attempt to escape from hook to get out of the game but then I somehow unhook myself and now I've gotta stick it out. Game said we've gotta have at it, so let's have at it.

    When playing as Hag I generally know where the survivor is going to go just from experience and instead of just webbing up 3 gens I tend to draw traps as I go but I make sure to always have 10 down. So my trap web is more like a trap tripwire that cannot be predicted because I don't even have a plan. UNLESS I'm on the game. Traps go in the room divisions. That map is kind of mean as Hag if nobody has a flashlight. I try not to camp because it's boring but if someone trips the single hook trap then I'll warp to it and give the survivors a pat on the back.

  • MurgleïsMurgleïs Member Posts: 266

    She is very unique. You need a brain and know what you are doing from the start. I used to love playing her, unfortunately, dead hard and boons are easy and cheap hard counter to her.

  • LaluziLaluzi Member Posts: 3,228

    I really like Hag and wish we had more killers whose playstyle and counterplay differed drastically from the norm. Looping should not be the end-all-be-all of what DBD is or aspires to be and Trapper and Hag reside in their own setup, strategy-and-information-game niche - it's just that Hag is generally way better at what she does than Trapper.

    The only issue I see with Hag and fun is the ease at which she camps and either tunnels or forces hook trades. Crouching to and away from her hook traps gives her extra time to run back to the scene, especially if she spammed them, and oftentimes it seems like a trap placed too close to the hook will trigger after the unhooking animation even if both players are holding the crouch button.

    I'm unsure how to balance this, though, because hard removing Hag's ability to trap or teleport anywhere near a hook absolutely guts her and I don't want that at all. It can't be just an occupied hook, because her showing up 0.1 seconds after an unhook is still crazy dangerous and the norm if she wants to use perks like Devour or MYC, but if it's any hook, her ability to place traps at relevant points gets nuked.

    I'm also not sure how well Hag even holds up if you remove her ability to pressure hooks - I do fine without using it in most games as her, but I'm not top MMR.

  • ColonGlockColonGlock Member Posts: 741

    She is very strong on maps other killers dread.

    She can be harassed and disrupted but can quickly turn the tables if she keeps her cool and thinks ahead.

    Her small size and terror radius are great for sneaking up on healing survivors which is usually my goal.

    Back in 2016, I would trap gens but these days a random web of traps in dead zones is most time-efficient for me.

  • danielmaster87danielmaster87 Member Posts: 6,151

    She's strong, but 1 strong SWF with or without flashlights can probably stomp her.

  • GhosteGhoste Member Posts: 1,516

    From a solo Survivor perspective, I despise her playstyle. Her whole thing is to avoid chases and proxy camp instead. Once someone is hooked, the match becomes a slog.

    The fact that Hag is one of the least played Killers in the game should tell you what people think about her. If she were actually played more, you would see way more complaints about her.

  • humanbeing1704humanbeing1704 Member Posts: 6,704

    Very boring to play wish she got the Freddy rework treatment to not make her resident sleeper

  • sizzlingmario4sizzlingmario4 Member Posts: 2,355

    Hag is my most hated killer and I legitimately have never had fun as or against her.

    The nature of her power heavily encourages trapping hooks and sometimes no matter what the survivors do they get hit. If you get someone in basement they either set off your traps, or they have to crouch walk back up (during which time you can just go back). Any killer can facecamp, but hag allows you to essentially camp from far away.

    I think two ways to immediately make her more interesting without completely reworking her would be the following:

    1. The Hag can no longer set traps within a certain range of an occupied hook or in the basement/at the very top of the basement stairs (traps can be placed while the hook isn’t being used, but if someone is hooked there those traps are immediately destroyed).
    2. In return, survivors can no longer destroy traps with flashlights (or flashbangs or any other similar device that can remove them).
  • DBD78DBD78 Member Posts: 2,625

    B tier killer fun to play and fun to play against. Against good SWFs she might be the worst killer in the game but top 3 against solos.

    I want all killers around A tier so I would give her a small buff.

  • dallasmedicbagdallasmedicbag Member Posts: 571

    For some odd reason people think she's on par with Nurse. A lot of Hags don't commit to a chase, bring CoH and you're pretty much guaranteed to win every game against her due to the fact that she always, always drop chase. All praise CoH :)

  • AurelleAurelle Member Posts: 2,239

    I dislike Hag. Her power is annoying to go against and most of the Hags I go against camp/tunnel, which can lead to very annoying/unfun games. She can be fun to play as with certain builds, but her main gameplay is kind of boring, too.

  • AnneBonnyAnneBonny Member Posts: 1,532

    she is a killer in the game

  • Mtom912Mtom912 Member Posts: 740

    Just a pub stomper, overrated, if survivors know how to verse a hag, a hag will get 0 hooks before 5 gens

    Guide to make someone never play hag again

    Let them trap a 3 gen, and make it so there's only 1 gen left, 4v1 the 3 gen, angle your camera facing away from the trap then run into it, this will flip your camera so you will start running away as soon as you set off the trap so even a scroll wheel hag can't hit you, exception is ping issues. Clear all her traps then split in 2's to the furthest gens in the 3 gen, as soon as the hag goes to one, pre leave and she can't commit because she's 110%, if someone get's hit just reset across the map then repeat until 5th gen is done.

    This doesn't even include the typical stacked meta perks of prove, DH, and COH etc that will make this even easier

  • LabracLabrac Applicant Posts: 1,285
    edited December 2021

    Never had a single fun game playing as or against her. I know it's a matter of taste but I don't really think she fits this game.

    Also I really dislike killers like her and Pinhead who are solo stompers but mediocre against SWFs. It seems their design have in mind bullying people who decided to not play on voice comms and that's stupid.

  • KasamskyKasamsky Member Posts: 229

    haven't had to play against one in ages.

    when i play her i usually lose 2-3 gens before i get my first hook, after that it's pure chaos, traps pop left and right and the whole team is slugged within seconds. however that's mostly pugs. good swf's will destroy my baby hag no problem. but yeah it can be really satisfying to play her sometimes when you have to make plans and think ahead.

  • Seth__Seth__ Member Posts: 1,228
  • LaluziLaluzi Member Posts: 3,228

    Giving someone the Freddy treatment seems to be precisely the way to make someone the resident sleeper. How often do you have a fun game against Freddy? He's one of the most boring killers in the game in his current state, both to play and to verse. I find Hag really engaging to verse because I have to think about what I'm doing and weigh the risk-reward of a course of action (as well as watch where her traps are and trigger them when she's busy.) Any frustration I get against her comes from my teammates not being on the same page, or when I get a super campy Hag that just wants to spam 8 traps around every hook instead of building a net because that's just boring.

    Okay, this made me chuckle. Have a like.

  • dallasmedicbagdallasmedicbag Member Posts: 571

    Couldn't have explained it better man, who tf is this mitchi guy people keep mentioning here? Best Hag player? KEKW

  • LoneSlingerLoneSlinger Member Posts: 500

    Michi is the best hag player and you would know that if you ever played vs them

    There's a reason it's pretty much agreed upon by the community

  • LoneSlingerLoneSlinger Member Posts: 500

    More like 2 ways to immediately gut her just like Freddy and Billy and slinger

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