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'You Don't NEED A 4K!' - The Toxic Mindset

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  • KaitsjaKaitsja Member Posts: 544

    You don't need a 4k every time usually refers to leaving one survivor to either nearly or completely bleed out while you hunt down the 4th.

  • AngyKillerAngyKiller Member Posts: 1,838

    Ok? And...What? I should not try for that 4K because my opponents don't like it?

    I get that it's not fun, but when I play a PvP game; I go in expecting my opponent to try to win, barring only: cheats, exploits/glitches, and treating your opponent like dirt.

    This means I expect Survivors to use their best perks and tactics, while I use mine. If I don't like said perk or tactic; oh well. It's not my place to tell my opponent what they can or cannot do within the rules of the game and fair play.

    And no, fair play does not mean 'Think of your opponents feelings while they lose'. Humans are competitive; we used to compete for food, for the choice mates, then it was land and money, and now games can be added to that. We hate losing. Losing sucks.

    That does not mean your opponent(s) should give up his 4K (or 4E) because you, I, or anyone, don't like being slugged, or camped, or Dead Hard'd, etc.


    This was addressed in my post, too; this mindset of 'Think of their feelings!' that causes people to shame others for how they play.

    Sure: Think of your opponent as the human being they are: Don't be a <bleep> in victory or defeat. But that does not mean you have to stop trying to win, or 'Be happy with a 3K (or 3E)' because someone finds it toxic to slug & hunt, or whatever.


    The thing of it is that people yell 'Slugging is toxic!' because they feel bad they got slugged while the Killer hunts for the 4th Survivor. ...Oh well?

    Losing in Tekken feels bad. Being sniped in Fortnite feels bad. Does that mean losing should be banned because someone can't accept their opponent trying to win?


    Treating your opponent like dirt is bad. Slugging to go for the 4K is just part of the game. It's not inherently bad or 'toxic', as some people would claim. Which is why I hate this 'You don't need a 4K' mindset; it's shaming Killers into giving up early because Survivors feel bad. It's baffling.

  • The_KrapperThe_Krapper Member Posts: 2,182

    How in the world do you handle other games with toxicity? This game doesn't hold a candle to games like Halo and call of duty, in Halo infinite I can shoot and then while you're respawning be over there teabagging and hitting your dead body while trashing you in the built in voice chat, but dbd the worst you can get is people who aren't physically speaking to you tbagging in front of you that you CAN do something about or they can facecamp and hit you on the hook while nodding I mean that's about as bad as it gets outside of the endgame chat, this game really isn't all that bad about toxicity people are just more sensitive these days and can't handle losing or being BM'd and to respond more direct to what you're talking about anyone who feels they should win every match in dominating fashion is the problem people expect their opponent to not try and that's an issue

  • SOULWARRIOR71KSOULWARRIOR71K Member Posts: 113

    This is the first game I’ve ever played where one side of the community (survivor mains) tell the other side of the community (killer mains) that they should just be playing to have “fun” while at the same time they are always trying to win (escape). As a killer main, I wholeheartedly reject this notion. I play killer because I want kills. As such, I pay no mind to the survivor rule book. I play however I want to and I 3k/4k the majority of the time. Do I get destroyed sometimes? Of course. But I accept that I can’t win them all nor can I control how survivors decide to play. There’s only 3 possible outcomes for a match 1. Tough back and forth 2. Stomp 3. Get stomped.

  • SeanzuSeanzu Member Posts: 6,763

    don't think I've ever in my life seen a survivor complain about how they didn't 4-man escape.

  • CyberDragoon656CyberDragoon656 Member Posts: 960

    Well, first of all, make an actual system that punishes the behavior like most PVP games second no I don't, not the game or the people but ignoring it makes it worse cause it grows and grows. Why do you think that some people who see streamers play dbd and act in the most inappropriate way are allowed to continue to be that way unless a third party intervenes? Not BHVR, not the game but something outside of both has to do it which is a bad way of running things

  • The_KrapperThe_Krapper Member Posts: 2,182

    I agree with everything you said except how you're saying it's just survivors, let's not pretend killers don't give survivors ######### for the perks they run or the map they play, ANYONE should be able to run whatever they want without getting trashed on just for having fun, I don't care if I'm playing end game nurse behind the gates with blood warden, insidious, Noed and kill everyone while nodding at the end, it shouldn't matter how I play or what I play because it's just a game and as long as you're having fun that's all that counts

  • The_KrapperThe_Krapper Member Posts: 2,182

    Most PvP games don't have anything in place for in game BM, I could get you in Halo infinite and have my entire team tbagging and hitting your dead body and it's not reportable at all, most games don't have such a soft player base that cries about anything and everything, the only true toxic thing in any game is the chat because people say some very ######### things or threaten you for literally nothing, in fact they need to get it over with and just give both survivors and killers a middle finger emote, I know I'd pay for it if it ever came to be in the game.

  • SludgeSludge Member Posts: 508

    1K on Deathslinger? Sounds like he needs another nerf.

  • AngyKillerAngyKiller Member Posts: 1,838

    We heard you wanting nerfs for Deathslinger 1Ks and are taking steps: We've nerfed Pig and Legion. 🙃

  • CyberDragoon656CyberDragoon656 Member Posts: 960
    edited December 2021

    I'm not talking about bming I mean the other ######### where BHVR failed to do something about so now people have to turn off chat and private their accounts just to not get spam from people whining about ######### and that is something that shouldn't be ignored but it is, there should be a system for that but there's not and nowadays so many people say just ignore it when that shouldn't be a thing.

    Also I have played other game with pvp and I never had people account message me for bullshit unlike this game so as much as you want to compare this to games with more players such as halo and cod the facts are that this game has less players but more toxic bullshit and unlike those games where its one team against another this one can have the potential of a more singular target mentality.

  • CyberDragoon656CyberDragoon656 Member Posts: 960
    edited December 2021

    For this, it's shown more by survivors trying to stroke their egos while not realizing or just being flat out ignorant that this game is more survivor-sided than killer-sided. While the things you mentioned for killer perks are true tell me this how many times have you had a killer act like hot ######### while using/being carried by noed and such compared to survivors acting like hot ######### while using/ being carried by the meta perks. Honestly, IMO if there is any game modes that should be added there should be a no perk version of the game so there are no crutches, no gimmicks and no broken saves/bullshit.

  • SOULWARRIOR71KSOULWARRIOR71K Member Posts: 113

    if a killer literally camps the first person, anything above a 1k is the survivors’ fault. Camping is not the same thing and does not have the same impact as survivors running dh, decisive, bt, iron will, unbreakable, adrenaline etc and playing a crap map offering like Haddonfield/Badham/Red Forest/Game etc because doing so actually wildly skews the match in the survivors’ favor.

  • SuspecmSuspecm Member Posts: 6

    I have started playing the game in the last like 4 days so I might be able to give a sort of clean opinion on this topic. The very first match my friend tried to introduce me to the game we got a killer that hooked a single survivor and camped them. This survivor happened to be me. It was miserable. It was honestly a miracle that after that encounter I kept playing because I sure as heck did not want to. Like it or not, often the Survivors' fun is based on how the Killer plays. If the killer decides to be a butthurt camper then the survivors straight up won't have fun, especially the one they decide to focus and/or camp.


    On the other hand, I have played matches as killer when the only reason I wasn't bullied to hell and back 4 times was because I played Hillbilly and have the flashlight immunity perk on (which I debated for a long while to swap for something "more useful", thank god I didn't).


    As much fun the game is, the devs need to put in some countermeasures against unfun tactics. Give more penality for camping hooks would be my first idea. Secondly, many survivor strats needs to be less effective. I feel like when there is a survivor with the Boon totem perk you either focus them down asap or lose the match. There is no in between. If there are two high level Genshin Impact looking ass girls on the survivor team it's a lost cause unless they REALLY mess up (doesn't mean I don't try since leaving uses up my offerings which I don't have many yet and it's not fun just giving up but stil). Sabotaging needs a good look at. It is a really cool moment when a survivor sabotages a hook just in time to save the survivor on their back, but when an entire team takes full bully sabotage build it's not fun for the killer. For flashlight bully builds, maybe give the killers an enrage buff after getting flashed or something for a second or two increasing movement speed or making every hit a one hit down or something like that as well as giving them some immunity to flashes for some time (similar to the stun buff in Darkest Dungeon where if a character gets stunned, they get a 50% stun resistance buff for 2 turns).

    As a closing note, I'd like to say that DH is not op and it's kind of fun to notice that a survivor has DH and the next time I chase them we have engaged in a battle of minds where you have to call them calling your bluff with reverse-reverse pshychology and stuff. It shouldn't be a basic part of survivors' kit tho (I read such a suggestion somewhere which seems a bit excessive? It's good that it is kind of a trade-off between some other perk or DH).

  • LenoxLenox Member Posts: 234
    edited December 2021

    But you know what? It never works in reverse. I've never seen someone say 'You don't NEED a 4E!'.

    I've never seen Survivors give the Killer a kill if they're all going to escape.

    I've never seen Survivors shamed for playing for a 4E, or not thinking of Killers feelings.

    I've seen all of these things. What are you talking about?

    1) 4 escape sucks, unless it's 8 hooks. It means the game was unbalanced and was probably bad matchmaking. And plenty of people sacrifice themselves when they feel bad for killers.

    2) Sweaty survivors. Toxic Nea. Are you joking me? People say this stuff all the time.

    3) Plenty of shame going around against survivors. What are you talking about?

  • AxxAxx Member Posts: 386

    This is why you play for YOUR fun. When I play killer, I'll do whatever I need to do to 4k. If the survivors get 4k, that is on them. I know they truly are stronger than the killer when played well. If the people playing survivor can't play at a level where they should win, that is on them.

  • SunsetSherbetSunsetSherbet Member Posts: 1,292

    "You should play survivor since it's so much better"

    Good advice. I do. Haven't touched killer since the first couple days of artist. Exclusively play survivor. Far far more fun and chill. No stress at all.

  • WesCravenFanWesCravenFan Member Posts: 1,095

    Not sure why you quoted me in that, since your post has nothing to do with anything I said.

  • WesCravenFanWesCravenFan Member Posts: 1,095

    I don't even know what this sentence is supposed to mean.

  • AngyKillerAngyKiller Member Posts: 1,838

    I think they mean the Survivor can't knock the Killer out of the match, while the Killer can do so to Survivors.

    Which, I mean; duh? That's the Killer's goal, but also the biggest 'excuse' Survivors use for anti-camping; How DARE Killers knock a player out 'early'! (You know; ignoring that there's no way of knowing what 'early' is on a per-Survivor basis)

  • The_KrapperThe_Krapper Member Posts: 2,182

    Actually that's untrue because It really depends on what killer you are, if you play a lower tier killer and you know your MMR is high then that's on you if you lose for choosing to handicap yourself, not only that but camping (which I honestly don't mind) will grant you more than one kill almost every time because I can't control how my trash solo teammates decide to play that situation, my point was that it doesn't matter what either side is running people should be able to play how they want without hearing excuses about Noed or dead hard or any of that junk because that's exactly what it is , a bunch of crying because whoever lost isn't as good as they thought they were and made mistakes to get themselves there, the perks are meant to be used to have fun not to shame someone for running a perk and doing well with it, there's always an excuse for these people

  • The_KrapperThe_Krapper Member Posts: 2,182

    My point is it doesn't matter what perks they run, who gives a #########? Not me I can tell you that much for sure, it doesn't matter what side you are when you play or if you play equally if you complain 24/7 about anything and everything you're the problem here not the killer running Noed or the survivor running dead hard. I got Hacked for slugging at 4 gens with nurse and kicked off the game for a week just recently so I play killer I know how people are and not everyone who plays is a complainer but I'm telling you they don't make enough tissues to soak up the tears from people constantly crying and complaining about this game.

  • AsherFrostAsherFrost Member Posts: 2,340

    I've read it 3 times now, I don't know if it's a translation thing, where English isn't the poster's first language or what, but I'm not sure either, hopefully they will clarify.

  • MyPagioMyPagio Member Posts: 20

    As i have mentioned in another topic, for me as killer, the problem isn't if i get a 4K.

    MY problem is that the survivors have the need to mock and bully the killer, especially beginners.

    It's a game and i really don't have a problem of 4E, i for sure, congratulate the survivors for doing it, IF they have played legit, without cheating and bullying the killer. Relax guys, you are 4 vs 1. If your strength, your ego and your brutality comes out if you bully or mock a poor killer then you are pathetic. Killers are also players who are on the opposite site BUT THEY MUST HAVE A RESPECT AS A PLAYER. If you don't respect other players, then don't ask for respect to yourself.

    On the other hand, survivors have a problem if a killer gets 4K, if he camps, etc. This is the fcking game. A camping Killer doesn't moke you, or bully you and it isn't against the game rules. That doesn't mean that he doesn't respect you. These are 2 different things.

    The killer uses his only way he has to win the game. You have to deal with it. Unfortunately the game mechanics for the killer to win is hooking and bleeding, if you like it or not.

    I wish there was a way for him to win just throwing flowers to you. Does this will make you feel better? This is the game and those are the game's mechanics. Bad behaviour, bullying, mocking, toxicity are a different things.

    If you do this you are acting like kilds. Like my 4 yo son who can't stop me when i feed him with spinach and he throws me his plate.

    Grow up and act like adults and not like kids.

  • SeanzuSeanzu Member Posts: 6,763
    edited December 2021

    ok lmao.

    any killer complaint is now officially them complaining about not 4king.

    t-bagging complaint? You're just mad you didn't 4K

    Dead hard complaint? You're just mad you didn't 4K

  • woundcowboywoundcowboy Member Posts: 1,122

    Yea, they're mad because the killer didn't let more out. Why should the killer do anything except get as many kills as possible? It's not the killer's job to make sure everyone has fun. That falls on the devs, and they have been failing miserably.

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