Wait does the new Leader perk not affect gen speeds at all?

Maelstrom10 · January 10

Does this mean overall decreased gen speed? as in another survivor nerf?

Cetren · January 10

Leader does not but prove thyself now does.

βLAKE · January 10

RIP Leader

Swiftblade131 · January 10

RIP

Boss · January 10

@Maelstrom10 said:
Does this mean overall decreased gen speed? as in another survivor nerf?

If you ran Leader mainly, then yes.

Delfador · January 10

Am I the only one who thinks that leader was a very meaningless perk?

Thanatophobia is the perk that turns bars red, and leader is the perk that turns them yellow. I never understood why people use that perk in the first place.

PiiFree · January 10

@Delfador said:
Am I the only one who thinks that leader was a very meaningless perk?

Thanatophobia is the perk that turns bars red, and leader is the perk that turns them yellow. I never understood why people use that perk in the first place.

Maybe they feel more comfortable with yellow action bars. Same with Thanatophobia, survivors get nervous when they see a red bar even though it has next to no impact...

ad19970 · January 10

Well since the values for other action speeds have been significantly buffed, I don't feel like this was much of a nerf.

AlwaysInAGoodShape · January 10

@Maelstrom10

PigNRun · January 10

ad19970 said:

Well since the values for other action speeds have been significantly buffed, I don't feel like this was much of a nerf.

Actions that are irrelevant, except for maybe healing speed.

ModernFable · January 10

PigNRun said:

ad19970 said:

Well since the values for other action speeds have been significantly buffed, I don't feel like this was much of a nerf.

Actions that are irrelevant, except for maybe healing speed.

Healing teammates is vital.

Opening an Exit Gate faster can make or break an escape.

Plus a quicker Unhook will change whether or not you can Borrowed Time save in front of a camper.

The other actions are also useful, although more niche.

Dwight_Fairfield · January 10

I always use Leader, but with this change I'll be using Prove Thyself now.

PinkEricka · January 10

LOL. This is so ironic. Everyone’s gonna be using Prove Thyself now, a perk that no one uses!

I guess it’s a good change to slow down the gen rushing.

brokedownpalace · January 10

So it will affect healing, unhooking, opening chests, exit gates, and cleansing? Am I missing any?

Having other survivors heal and unhook you 25% faster could save your ass, especially if other buffs are involved (Botany, someone else using Leader nearby, etc). Letting someone open an exit gate 25% faster + they have Wake Up equipped means the base opening would drop from roughly 20 seconds to 12. That's massive. With a full stack of Remember Tokens you go down from 50 to 30 seconds. That's awesome.

Is that all situational? Of course, but I'm the kind of person that loves to play off meta builds (I don't use SC, SB or DS unless I'm going for a special build or ritual). I think it's a great change.

Dwight_Fairfield · January 10

@PinkEricka said:
LOL. This is so ironic. Everyone’s gonna be using Prove Thyself now, a perk that no one uses!

I guess it’s a good change to slow down the gen rushing.

Not really. Prove Thyself boosts gen repair now.

Maelstrom10 · January 10

Dwight_Fairfield said:

@PinkEricka said:
LOL. This is so ironic. Everyone’s gonna be using Prove Thyself now, a perk that no one uses!

I guess it’s a good change to slow down the gen rushing.

Not really. Prove Thyself boosts gen repair now.

Yeah but by not as much

I mean I used to use leader n prove thyself to get Max Gen speed (with resilience) but now that combo is kinda out the window with decreased output.
And tbh botany knowledge/we'll make it are already such commonly run perks, a 25% boost just feels negilible in comparisonModernFable said:

PigNRun said:

ad19970 said:

Well since the values for other action speeds have been significantly buffed, I don't feel like this was much of a nerf.

Actions that are irrelevant, except for maybe healing speed.

Healing teammates is vital.

Opening an Exit Gate faster can make or break an escape.

Plus a quicker Unhook will change whether or not you can Borrowed Time save in front of a camper.

The other actions are also useful, although more niche.

I didn't think statuses like that (and vigil/streetwise) worked while you were hooked

Boss · January 10

@Maelstrom10 said:
Yeah but by not as much I mean I used to use leader n prove thyself to get Max Gen speed (with resilience) but now that combo is kinda out the window with decreased output.

Just find 1 other Survivor to repair with and you already should have a significant boost without current Leader & Resilience.
Plus you can still run Resilience too.

ModernFable · January 10

Maelstrom10 said:

Dwight_Fairfield said:

@PinkEricka said:
LOL. This is so ironic. Everyone’s gonna be using Prove Thyself now, a perk that no one uses!

I guess it’s a good change to slow down the gen rushing.

Not really. Prove Thyself boosts gen repair now.

Yeah but by not as much I mean I used to use leader n prove thyself to get Max Gen speed (with resilience) but now that combo is kinda out the window with decreased output.
And tbh botany knowledge/we'll make it are already such commonly run perks, a 25% boost just feels negilible in comparisonModernFable said:

PigNRun said:

ad19970 said:

Well since the values for other action speeds have been significantly buffed, I don't feel like this was much of a nerf.

Actions that are irrelevant, except for maybe healing speed.

Healing teammates is vital.

Opening an Exit Gate faster can make or break an escape.

Plus a quicker Unhook will change whether or not you can Borrowed Time save in front of a camper.

The other actions are also useful, although more niche.

I didn't think statuses like that (and vigil/streetwise) worked while you were hooked

Yeah, your Leader always affected people near you no matter what. So if you were hooked, they would unhook you faster.

This is still true and it’s much better, with the exception of Gens.

ad19970 · January 10

@PigNRun said:
ad19970 said:

Well since the values for other action speeds have been significantly buffed, I don't feel like this was much of a nerf.

Actions that are irrelevant, except for maybe healing speed.

Well I'd say healing speed isn't a maybe. That's definitely crucial. Having others heal you 25% faster is actually really good. Having it affect Opening exit gates, cleansing and unhooking can also be quite good. I mean none of the actions I would count as irrelevant, even chest search.
The perk seems more appealing to me now, to be honest. 9% never felt like it made that much of a difference.

Milo · January 10

@PiiFree said:

@Delfador said:
Am I the only one who thinks that leader was a very meaningless perk?

Thanatophobia is the perk that turns bars red, and leader is the perk that turns them yellow. I never understood why people use that perk in the first place.

Maybe they feel more comfortable with yellow action bars. Same with Thanatophobia, survivors get nervous when they see a red bar even though it has next to no impact...

I mean. Yeah when you see something good you will feel better when this thing stays that way.
Same goes for opposite.
So Thana doesn't do much % wise but works on the mind of the survivors! (on those who work on gens)

Maelstrom10 · January 11

@Milo said:

@PiiFree said:

@Delfador said:
Am I the only one who thinks that leader was a very meaningless perk?

Thanatophobia is the perk that turns bars red, and leader is the perk that turns them yellow. I never understood why people use that perk in the first place.

Maybe they feel more comfortable with yellow action bars. Same with Thanatophobia, survivors get nervous when they see a red bar even though it has next to no impact...

I mean. Yeah when you see something good you will feel better when this thing stays that way.
Same goes for opposite.
So Thana doesn't do much % wise but works on the mind of the survivors! (on those who work on gens)

I'd say thanataphobia is useless on anyone whose played the game for more then 5 hrs tbh. your just gonna continue doing the gen anyways

ColonGlock · January 11

Leader has been the difference between me and someone else cleansing a guarded hex totem at 9%. At 25% it will be really nice especially if Noed. I know for a fact I have assisted with gates opening faster and last-second escapes with current leader and with the new version it will be even better. I will still run it for sure.

Maelstrom10 · January 11

@ColonGlock said:
Leader has been the difference between me and someone else cleansing a guarded hex totem at 9%. At 25% it will be really nice especially if Noed. I know for a fact I have assisted with gates opening faster and last-second escapes with current leader and with the new version it will be even better. I will still run it for sure.

eh for exit gates, wake up will always be better but i guess i see your point with the totems

Milo · January 11

Maelstrom10 said:

@ColonGlock said:
Leader has been the difference between me and someone else cleansing a guarded hex totem at 9%. At 25% it will be really nice especially if Noed. I know for a fact I have assisted with gates opening faster and last-second escapes with current leader and with the new version it will be even better. I will still run it for sure.

eh for exit gates, wake up will always be better but i guess i see your point with the totems

Actually ptb leader > wake up.
I mean you cant open the door but they do open it 10% faster

Maelstrom10 · January 11

Milo said:

Maelstrom10 said:

@ColonGlock said:
Leader has been the difference between me and someone else cleansing a guarded hex totem at 9%. At 25% it will be really nice especially if Noed. I know for a fact I have assisted with gates opening faster and last-second escapes with current leader and with the new version it will be even better. I will still run it for sure.

eh for exit gates, wake up will always be better but i guess i see your point with the totems

Actually ptb leader > wake up.
I mean you cant open the door but they do open it 10% faster

True, but with wakeup you signal it opening so eh? .-?

Gamzello · January 11

I'm confused because I used to run leader sometimes and I play solo (barely even played with other people like that so it was kinda useless) so is leader kinda...um...worse now? Idk. I find it pointless to change it honestly.

I like the Prove Thyself buff though.

Milo · January 11

@Gamzello
But the buff is WAY stronger.
Also it lasts for longer. I wouldnt say it is worse. Just its a clear diffrence at what it does than what Prove Thyself does.
Want to do gens faster and get more bp? Provethyself.
Wanna help others do some other things faster? Leader

PiiFree · January 11

@Milo said:
I mean. Yeah when you see something good you will feel better when this thing stays that way.
Same goes for opposite.
So Thana doesn't do much % wise but works on the mind of the survivors! (on those who work on gens)

In other words, it's a placebo with no effect other than messing with the minds of weaklings.

Milo · January 11

PiiFree said:

@Milo said:
I mean. Yeah when you see something good you will feel better when this thing stays that way.
Same goes for opposite.
So Thana doesn't do much % wise but works on the mind of the survivors! (on those who work on gens)

In other words, it's a placebo with no effect other than messing with the minds of weaklings.

Yep

Orion · January 11

@PiiFree said:

@Milo said:
I mean. Yeah when you see something good you will feel better when this thing stays that way.
Same goes for opposite.
So Thana doesn't do much % wise but works on the mind of the survivors! (on those who work on gens)

In other words, it's a placebo with no effect other than messing with the minds of weaklings.

Pretty much. At tier 3, with 4 Survivors injured, you get about:

94,12 seconds of generator repair time (14,12 extra seconds)
18,82 seconds of healing others or being healed by others (2,82 extra seconds)
37,65 seconds of self-healing with Self-Care (5,65 extra seconds)
16,47 seconds of totem cleansing (2,47 extra seconds)
32,29 seconds of hook sabotage with Saboteur (2,29 extra seconds)

All numbers used during calculations came from various articles on the wiki: deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com

Wait does the new Leader perk not affect gen speeds at all?

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