I'm not tolerating anything. I'm saying you're addressing the wrong issue and that taking away a cosmetic doesn't do anything to stop the kind of pea-brained player who boots up DBD looking to harass people on the basis of who they are.
The only way to prevent these people from having any tools to be disgusting without handling them from a moderation standpoint is to make every character a white cishet male, remove the pride charm, and remove the endgame chat, and obviously that is not a solution. I guess I'm just not thrilled that we're going part of the way down that road and removing content for everybody when the actual solution for the problem they present is fast and reactive moderation that doesn't waffle over whether harassment isn't bad enough to count. And I find it depressing that we're going this way, because that implies to me that DBD's not really interested in putting the resources towards more successful in-game moderation.
A few people being harassed is different than the mask only being used by racists. Smart Face Bubba facecamping you? Doesn't mean they're doing it to be racist, maybe they facecamp everyone.
Should we also remove the LGBT charm because I've been called a F slur in end game chat for using it? I dont think so, because I'll still be called a F slur with it in the game or not.
If people want to target minorities in the game, they will do it regardless of charms, masks, or whatever the f.
What they should be doing is banning people who actually use slurs and hateful messages in post game chat, which happens quite a lot.
Wait a minute! I ( for example ) didn't even know that there were such idiots who use skins as tools (which is a shame and a scandal). Just because I regret that the faces will no longer exist doesn't mean I'm racist. I would be careful with such statements!
As I’ve stated in another post: I don’t have a problem with Smartface itself, I have a problem with people using it for racist intent. And yes, lore-wise, I know Bubba doesn’t care about the race of his victims. Horror movies/games are supposed to make people uncomfortable after all.
But BHVR, as seen today, doesn’t want their game to be that uncomfortable.
Since some people are using Smartface to be racist (combined with BHVR having a poor report system) it’s better to remove it asap. Don’t get me wrong, I do feel bad for the people who worked for these cosmetics and wish they got more than just shards. BHVR also needs to implement a much better report system to avoid this.
For now, I just see they don’t want to give racists a tool (which is similar to black face, let’s be honest) and let them run.
I don’t care if the harassment gets worse. At least these trolls will be easy to identify and no one playing as a black character is getting targeted with a Bubba using Smartface to be racist.
I know it’s just a game, but normal people don’t play games to be racist.
I'm sure we've had this conversation before and gone through this exact same example and gotten nowhere. Not interested in rehashing an old conversation with you when I know you won't change your stance.
"So as we can see from this survey about 54% of players believe racism exists in the community and about 80% of Black players have experienced at least 7% racist actions in the past. "
Then you weren't included in my comment. Notice where I said I was referring to those who "KNOW that they were being used as a tool to harass and bully POC streamers."
Don't muddy the waters to make them seem deep.
I'd suggest you should be careful with your reading comprehension.
So, once again, if it's hateful to have the non white male masks just delete those?
I do not understand why all the masks have to go, just remove all the masks that aren't considered pc and add the ones that are. It's considered pc for Leatherface to run around with a deli style Felix face. So why not let us have it?
The skinned faces didnt look that good anyway. They were mere texture changes.
I dont want to take it even more far, but are you guys considering removing the Rainbow-Flag-Charm since people are getting harassed for using it? I personally got often facecamped and insulted as many disgusrting things just because I used this charm.
With that logic I am kinda worried that we could lose it aswell.
"deli style Felix face"
What are you on about?
Because specific exclusion of POC also looks bad from a PR standpoint outside of changing them all to accessories which would require a lot more negotiations than just "lol can we get rid of these please" this was the best case scenario.
Removing would imply that Dbd is a safeground for homophobes.
They didn't remove the Bubba masks because the people wearing the Bubba masks were being harassed, so you should be fine.
True that. Thank you, I really was kinda worried for a second that we could lose the Flag-Charm aswell.
People wearing the LF masks were not the ones being harassed therefore it is not equivalent to players being harassed for wearing the pride charm.
Apples to oranges...
I've had LGBTQ and PoC streamers wearing the pride charm call me trash and tell me to kill myself on their stream for camping them during the end game collapse. Can we get rid of that charm too?
How is this relevant or even remotely comparable?
Last time I checked the Pride Flag wasn't a hate symbol but blackface very much is...
Were the people using the Bubba mask to perpetuate racism black?
They were ######### because they're trash people not because they're lgbt or poc.
Report them for telling you to #########, the pride charm isn't at all related to this scenario, just them being an awful person. Unless they were telling you to do so just for being LGBT+.
Don't use this as a time to be a thinly-veiled homophobe because it's so far from a good look we'll be thinking of colonising it in a few years
They're just 4 crappy mask cosmetics - 3 you wouldn't be able to tell apart from the default in a match and one that was used to be racist harassing people. You'd think Bubba himself is being removed with how upset people are over this.
Literally. People on here acting like making the game a more comofortable space for POC content creators is the end of the world.
Very disheartening IMO.
But that doesn't make sense.
If this is about protecting poc than why would poc get angry at their removal. It's what they want. There should be zero PR ramifications for removing the offending masks.
No one is offended by a white boy getting his face used as a mask, so there should be nothing stopping it. People are angry because a poc face mask exists. Remove it then. But it makes absolutely no sense to demand other people have something taken away.
So unless you think anyone gives a ######### if a white male feels offended I don't see where the negative pr would be coming from.
Deli style is a thickness of meat you get at delis. It's also a pretty simply joke... I don't see how you didn't get it. Deli style chicken, deli style ham, deli style Felix face. Perfect mask thickness.
And of course, no meaningful compensation. Here's some shards that anyone with lots of hours essentially has no use for. How about give us cells so we can buy a Bubba mask? Honestly this seems more like a scheme to make people buy bubba mask DLC since they're losing the free ones.
It's about removing a tool to be racist not to make more money
Take off your tinfoil hat and have some ######### empathy good god
I know you're responding to @GoodBoyKaru in the top portion but I feel the need to reply. You're misunderstanding. People aren't offended that a POC face mask simply "exists". People are upset being it's being used as a tool by racist players to harass and bully POC content creators. Which, I'm sure you'd agree, isn't okay.
It isn't a good look to single out only one race from a PR standpoint. It's better to remove all of them rather then exclude the two masks.
As for the deli meat, apologies for misunderstanding. I don't eat meat so I wouldn't get the reference.
Can you please explain how it was used to harass PoC players?
I guess if the racists want to continue to be racist and harass people they just have to use the endgame chat. We all know BHVR doesn't bother policing that